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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
"Tom De Moor" wrote in message .be... In article , betwys1 @sbcglobal.net says... If the US road speed limit were reduced from 70 to 65 mph, perhaps 30,000 lives would be saved annually. Isn't that worthwhile? We have apparently decided NOT. Keywords in your sentences are 'perhaps' and 'apparently'. You might even claim all roadkills would be saved if US road speed were to reduced to zero. In Germany the speed on the autobahn is unlimited, in neighbouring Belgium the max speed is 120 kph. However in Germany there are less than half as many killed per 1000 km of highway than in Belgium. Speed does not kill, failing or absent infrastructure does. Infrastructure? Maybe 5% tops. Try Inattention and intoxication first. Matt |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
On Feb 10, 1:35*pm, Tom De Moor
wrote: snip In Germany the speed on the autobahn is unlimited, snip Quite a lot of the autobahn does have speed limits, and some of them are not particularly fast either. |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
"Matt Herron Jr." wrote in message
... I also find this interesting. I wonder if the ratio of 100/1 would be the same if one only considered glider-involved accidents. My guess is we have a disproportionate number of mid-airs. Any way to check? Matt Whereas I don't see any position in this thread that is inherently better or worse to place this comment, I have chosen this one on the basis that no trimming is necessary or usefull. I really see 2 points that need to be made: 1) Any time that a major factor is eliminated from a statistic, the proportions will increase for the previously minor factors. Simply by talking about glider operations, we have eliminated either all or most cases of fuel eshaustion/mismanagement, crashes during instrument approaches, collisions with approach light supports, and a lot of other causes when aircraft are used for training and/or transportation. 2) Any life lost is NOT 1 too many! In the United States alone, about 4 million people have to die--simply due to the statistics of human lifespans. The remark that 27 people would still be alive is simply an assertion that it is somehow better to die by wasting away in a hospital or hospice than in the course of doing something productive, entertaining, or even (horrors) courageous. We should and do try to perform as safely as is prcatical in our work, our play, and even in our wars. But we most certainly do not need to justify our actions to anyone who chooses to experience only simulaton and then chooses to criticize those who take real action. There are only 2 reasonable courses of action in dealing with such trolls: ignore them or push back HARD! Peter |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
In article ,
says... Speed does not kill, failing or absent infrastructure does. Infrastructure? Maybe 5% tops. Try Inattention and intoxication first. Even to inattention and intoxication infrastructure is the answer. http://www.katchuptv.com/?video=4781 The video shows what happens if a driver gets knocked inconscious at 250 kph. Tom De Moor |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
Speed differential is what kills. hit a wall that is stationary when
you are doing the speed limit and its going to hurt. hit granny who is doing 40 mph in a 60 while you're doing the speed limit and it will hurt, but not as bad as the wall. |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
Correction!
I wrote: If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, ~99% of GA aircraft fatalities would still happen. That should be ~97%, not ~99%. Corrected number below. From Nall Report analysis of U.S. NTSB records: Total fixed wing GA fatalities: 2002: 518 2003: 555 2004: 510 2005: 491 2006: 488 Total: 2562 Fatalities due to midair collision: 2002: 5 There were 9 fatalities, not 5. There were 5 accidents yielding fatalities, not 5 fatalities. My misread. 2003: 7 Should be 23. 2004: 6 Should be 10. 2005: 5 Should be 14. 2006: 4 Should be 9. Total: 27 Should be 65. http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/03nall.pdf http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/04nall.pdf http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/05nall.pdf http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/06nall.pdf http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/07nall.pdf |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
cavelamb writes:
Exactly HOW do you think you can prevent ANY midair? Training, standardization, caution, discipline, and other techniques can greatly reduce the incidence of midair collisions. |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
brian whatcott writes:
If the US road speed limit were reduced from 70 to 65 mph, perhaps 30,000 lives would be saved annually. Isn't that worthwhile? If speed killed, nobody would ever survive an auto race. What kills is speed that is excessive for a given set of circumstances, and that cannot easily be addressed by posted speed limits alone. Some jurisdictions with "reasonable and prudent" speed laws recognize this. |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
Tom De Moor writes:
Even to inattention and intoxication infrastructure is the answer. Infrastructure cannot compensate for driver incompetence or impairment. |
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If all midair collisions were eliminated...
On Feb 10, 4:04*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
brian whatcott writes: If the US road speed limit were reduced from 70 to 65 mph, perhaps 30,000 lives would be saved annually. Isn't that worthwhile? If speed killed, nobody would ever survive an auto race. What kills is speed that is excessive for a given set of circumstances, and that cannot easily be addressed by posted speed limits alone. *Some jurisdictions with "reasonable and prudent" speed laws recognize this. Yep, it doesn't matter how fast you miss things. It's hitting things that hurt. Don't hit things. |
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