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Old February 11th 10, 01:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
cavelamb[_2_]
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Default If all midair collisions were eliminated...

Mxsmanic wrote:
cavelamb writes:

Exactly HOW do you think you can prevent ANY midair?


Training, standardization, caution, discipline, and other techniques can
greatly reduce the incidence of midair collisions.



Well, if you have been following the other posts in this thread
you'd understand that they already ARE doing just that.


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"The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power
to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still."


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Old February 11th 10, 02:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
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In article ,
brian whatcott wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Logajan writes:

If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, ~99% of GA aircraft fatalities
would still happen.


If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, 27 people would still be alive,
based on your own cited statistics. Is saving lives not a sufficient
justification for eliminating midair collisions? Is there are threshold of
deaths below which efforts to eliminate midair collisions are not justified?
What cost is there in attempting to eliminate midair collisions that offsets
the loss of life that they entail?


If the US road speed limit were reduced from 70 to 65 mph, perhaps
30,000 lives would be saved annually. Isn't that worthwhile?

We have apparently decided NOT.


I think you meant "6.5 mph" instead of "65 mph," didn't you?
The total accident deaths per year in the US is only around 38,000.

Mike Beede
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Old February 11th 10, 03:36 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
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Default If all midair collisions were eliminated...

In article ,
Mike Beede wrote:

In article ,
brian whatcott wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Logajan writes:

If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, ~99% of GA aircraft
fatalities
would still happen.

If all GA midair collisions were eliminated, 27 people would still be
alive,
based on your own cited statistics. Is saving lives not a sufficient
justification for eliminating midair collisions? Is there are threshold
of
deaths below which efforts to eliminate midair collisions are not
justified?
What cost is there in attempting to eliminate midair collisions that
offsets
the loss of life that they entail?


If the US road speed limit were reduced from 70 to 65 mph, perhaps
30,000 lives would be saved annually. Isn't that worthwhile?

We have apparently decided NOT.


I think you meant "6.5 mph" instead of "65 mph," didn't you?
The total accident deaths per year in the US is only around 38,000.


Not to mention that dropping the Federal speed limit to 55 a couple of
decades ago didn't reduce the death toll by anything near "perhaps
30,000 lives annually".

Those who blow off history, etc etc etc.
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Old February 11th 10, 03:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
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Default If all midair collisions were eliminated...

brian whatcott wrote:

What cost is there in attempting to eliminate midair collisions that
offsets
the loss of life that they entail?


If the US road speed limit were reduced from 70 to 65 mph, perhaps
30,000 lives would be saved annually. Isn't that worthwhile?

We have apparently decided NOT.

Brian W


My numbers for road deaths were way high. The allowable speed would need
to drop much more to provide these life saves - to perhaps as low as 15
mph??
The time series data is much more encouraging: fatalities per million
cap are dropping. One supposes that belts and bags play a role.
Depending on the source, the international data is not flattering
for US drivers - but then - they have long distances available.

Brian W
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Old February 11th 10, 04:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
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"Peter Dohm" wrote

We should and do try to perform as safely as is prcatical in our work, our
play, and even in our wars. But we most certainly do not need to justify
our actions to anyone who chooses to experience only simulaton and then
chooses to criticize those who take real action.

There are only 2 reasonable courses of action in dealing with such trolls:
ignore them or push back HARD!


Peter;
While I agree, most whole-heartably with your well thought out and written
post, I disagree with your last 4 words.

Past experience with this particular troll is that he is a somewhat rare
species. Not human, if you get my drift. Pushing hard is not effective, up
until you push hard enough to make him physically unable to operate a
computer.

That leaves ONLY ignoring.

Everyone read that again. Here, I'll make it easy for you: That leaves
only ignoring.

It is the only logical and effective solution to this problem.
--
Jim in NC


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Old February 11th 10, 10:40 AM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
John Smith
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Default If all midair collisions were eliminated...

The total accident deaths per year in the US is only around 38,000.

Only?
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Old February 11th 10, 01:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
Mxsmanic
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Default If all midair collisions were eliminated...

cavelamb writes:

Well, if you have been following the other posts in this thread
you'd understand that they already ARE doing just that.


Yes. Who said otherwise?
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Old February 11th 10, 04:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
Tom De Moor
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In article ,
says...

Even to inattention and intoxication infrastructure is the answer.


Infrastructure cannot compensate for driver incompetence or impairment.



Then you live not in a technical world.

http://boingboing.net/2010/01/14/cra...1959-chev.html

Tom De Moor
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Old February 11th 10, 04:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.homebuilt,rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.soaring
Mxsmanic
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Tom De Moor writes:

Then you live not in a technical world.


True. I live in the real world.
 




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