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Old September 5th 06, 12:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
John Gaquin
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"Ron Lee" wrote in message

PS, The COMAIR pilots screwed up. Case closed. Quit trying to blame
ATC or taxiways.


Oh! Has the final report been published? I must have missed that!


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Old September 7th 06, 03:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Emily wrote:
Ron Lee wrote:

This is ridiculous that a union is opposed to casual attire (slack &
collard shirts). I did not read suits.

Sounds like NATCA needs to be Reaganed.

Ron Lee


As a woman, I think the collared shirt thing is ridiculous. So many
people feel to comprehend that women can be business casual without a
collar.

But I agree that the union needs to find something else to oppose. A
huge reason why I'm so glad we don't have unions here.

Think skirts instead of collared shirts for the female version.

Margy
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Old September 4th 06, 05:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jose[_1_]
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Unbelievable! They're actually going to fight against their employer
for dictating what they must wear to work...


Why do you care what they look like? Aren't there more important issues
with the FAA?

Jose
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Old September 6th 06, 09:27 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Jose" wrote in message
. com...
Why do you care what they look like? Aren't there more important issues
with the FAA?


Obviously, they have determined that how a controller is dressed directly
effects whether aircraft depart from the correct runway...


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Old September 6th 06, 12:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
B A R R Y[_1_]
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Grumman-581 wrote:

Obviously, they have determined that how a controller is dressed directly
effects whether aircraft depart from the correct runway...


The tie points in the direction of the runway!
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Old September 6th 06, 02:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"B A R R Y" wrote in message
om...
Grumman-581 wrote:

Obviously, they have determined that how a controller is dressed directly
effects whether aircraft depart from the correct runway...


The tie points in the direction of the runway!


What if he's got a Dilbert tie?


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Old September 6th 06, 03:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Matt Barrow wrote:

What if he's got a Dilbert tie?


That means "cleared for takeoff"! G

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Old September 4th 06, 11:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

As of today, the FAA has imposed a dress code on their employees,
requiring that they (*gasp!*) NOT where flip-flops and cut-offs to
work! Amazingly, believe it or not, these employees are now actually
going to be required to wear (*Oh-mi-God*) DRESS PANTS and a DRESS
SHIRT to work!


That's not true! The dress code was imposed yesterday. Pilots all across
the US must be releived to know the FAA has finally done something to
improve ATC services. No more shorts of ank kind, (not just cut-offs, which
I don't believe I ever saw any controller wear), no shirts without collars.
There's a small list of forbidden clothing, fortunately knickers and kilts
are not among them.

Mine should arrive this week.



In the face of this terrible affront, the controller's union, NATCA,
has decided to do the following, quoted from AvWeb:
************************************************** ***********************************************
What's A Union To Do?
While the battle inside the towers and centers may (to outsiders) have
its whimsical side, the practical impact of the new regime could be
significant. NATCA appears determined to fight each and every violation
of the new rules cited by management. In a memo to controllers at a
major center (we do know which one), union leaders are urging members
to exercise their rights to the letter. "If a supervisor tries to talk
with you regarding the way your are dressed, it constitutes a formal
meeting," the memo reads. "Stop the conversation immediately and ask
for a union representative. The same approach should be used on any
other changes in your working conditions, ask for a rep immediately.
The Agency has a legal obligation to comply." But the memo also says
the overall battle won't be won by individual members discussing their
fashion challenges. "One person alone can not change the course the
agency has decided to take," the memo says. "However, collectively we
can unpave their course and start a new road. I and the rest of your
elected leaders will need your help now more than ever."
************************************************** ***********************************************
Unbelievable! They're actually going to fight against their employer
for dictating what they must wear to work... Apparently their right to
look like bums in a professional setting has been violated, and the
union is going on the offensive!


Wearing shorts makes a person look like a bum?



Whenever we sit and wonder why the Bush Administration has been pushing
ATC privatization so hard, all we must do is read articles like this
one. Imagine -- these folks are up in arms because they have to wear a
dress shirt to work! Can you imagine what must go on in those towers
when a supervisor actually needs something of substance accomplished?

The next time the union sends me one of their whiny spam-mails, asking
for help in the fight against privatization, I'm going to send them
this post. These so-called "civil servants" have done themselves (and
us) a terrible disservice by choosing this ridiculous issue to fight
about, and they have only increased the probability that we will see
ATC privatization.


NATCA suffers from poor leadership, and the FAA suffers from poor
management, but I fail to see any positives in the dress code.


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Old September 4th 06, 11:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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fortunately knickers and kilts
are not among them.

Mine should arrive this week.


If you're going to wear a kilt, be sure to wear it correctly.

Jose
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Old September 5th 06, 12:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Jose" wrote in message
m...

If you're going to wear a kilt, be sure to wear it correctly.


My Scots-Irish heritage would allow nothing else.


 




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