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"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
news:fnF2c.1824$re1.544@newsfe1-win... No shots fired. :-) Do you have a reference for the study? I remember the RAF Tornados getting painted black all over some years ago after similar studies. Presumably they get repainted before going into action. Most of the RAF training fleet is now black. The Tornado GR4s are being painted black too. Tornados tended to get painted for the job at hand. For desert camouflage during Desert Storm they were painted in this colour: http://www.flyingzone.co.uk/tornadoi...stormunits.htm RAF black: http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/hawk.html http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/tucano.html http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/griffin.html http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/ssquirrel.html I'd hesitate to paint a GA aircraft dark on top unless it was going to spend most of its time in the shade. Mine seems to survive ok out in the sun. Ok, it's based near Andover in Hampshire rather than Arizona. I've even got a black cover for it. My plane: http://makeashorterlink.com/?P6D3256A7 Grey was seen to be the low visibility scheme. Paul |
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
... Cub Driver wrote: "G.R. Patterson III" wrote First off, it's sort of an electric robin's egg blue - not very dark, and secondly, very few of us are flying at 40,000'. Very few Hurricanes did either. That's why they used special Spitfires for the job. http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=109363 http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=104095 http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=145761 http://www.ospreypublishing.com/titl...P6159~ser=SPAV http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/galle...=14&Group=7prg http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazin...ail_spit19.htm A PR squadron: http://www.rafmarham.co.uk/organisat...pruhistory.htm Paul |
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(Teacherjh) wrote in message ...
I read somewhere that the standard camouflage (splotches of various greens) was not as effective at hiding things as random sharp edges of contrasty colors. It's anti-intuitive, and I don't have a picture of it, but maybe somebody else remembers. The Royal Navy used that method for ships. The random patterns and contrasting colors made it difficult to identify a ship's type, speed and course from a distance. I don't know if the same thing would work on aircraft. Here's an example of some schemes used in WWII : http://www.steelnavy.com/images/WR_RN_CAMO2/sample2.jpg These are pretty mild compared to some of the others I've seen (i.e. black on white rectangles, triangles and big red circles). John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180) |
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, John Galban wrote:
(Teacherjh) wrote in message ... I read somewhere that the standard camouflage (splotches of various greens) was not as effective at hiding things as random sharp edges of contrasty colors. It's anti-intuitive, and I don't have a picture of it, but maybe somebody else remembers. The Royal Navy used that method for ships. The random patterns and contrasting colors made it difficult to identify a ship's type, speed and course from a distance. I don't know if the same thing would work on aircraft. Well, the Czech Air Force tried something related on at least one Mig21: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/469919/M/ Pretty cool paint scheme, but I'm not sure how useful it would be as actual camo while airborne. Brian. |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Dennis O'Connor wrote:
A study within the military showed that the most visible color for identifying the shape of a plane against any background, is a solid, dark blue... Really? Against the sky, I can understand, but at a nearby airstrip that's close to our usual practice area there's an advanced ultralight that's dark navy blue, and that one is nearly impossible to see against the dark conifers around that strip. It's even hard to see against the pastures & fields nearby. OTOH, the Canadian Air Force is also painting most of its training planes dark blue now, so maybe there is something to it. Both the Hawks (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/435441/M/) and the Harvard IIs (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/435441/M/) are now dark blue. I've seen both on the ground here, but not from the air against the ground. Brian. Now, don't shoot the messenger as he has a tender hide... If you don't like the message, do your own research... denny "Julian Scarfe" wrote in message news:zZE2c.1820$re1.1377@newsfe1-win... wrote in message ... Howdy, I've been looking all over, and I can't seem to find any discussions on the relative visibility of various colors for aircraft. I would guess that the best color might be different when viewed against the sky or the ground. I think white on top (contrast vs ground clutter) and dark on the underside (contrast vs sky) works well, like, for example, the factory Mooney schemes, http://www.mooney.com/ . Julian Scarfe |
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Cub Driver wrote: Right, and fire engines used to be red but now are yellow. All the fire engines in our town went back to Red after a decade of yellow/green. It was found that Lighting is much more important than the color for visibility. And when our fire trucks were yellow/green the public thought they were highway/garbage trucks. We went back to Red because that's the color the public most associates with fire trucks. |
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"Buff5200" wrote in message
... Cub Driver wrote: Right, and fire engines used to be red but now are yellow. All the fire engines in our town went back to Red after a decade of yellow/green. It was found that Lighting is much more important than the color for visibility. And when our fire trucks were yellow/green the public thought they were highway/garbage trucks. We went back to Red because that's the color the public most associates with fire trucks. CD, Just out of curiosity, do you happen to know what the upside of painting Fire/Rescue Vehicles WHITE was supposed to be? I don't see too many these days, but for a while it was quite prevalent around the Phoenix metro area. TIA, Jay |
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"Jay Beckman" wrote Just out of curiosity, do you happen to know what the upside of painting Fire/Rescue Vehicles WHITE was supposed to be? I don't see too many these days, but for a while it was quite prevalent around the Phoenix metro area. TIA, Jay Yes, they are cooler. Ever been in a red van in Arizona? -- Jim in NC --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.608 / Virus Database: 388 - Release Date: 3/3/2004 |
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Arizona hearses are white also. On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:38:43 -0500, "Morgans" wrote: "Jay Beckman" wrote Just out of curiosity, do you happen to know what the upside of painting Fire/Rescue Vehicles WHITE was supposed to be? I don't see too many these days, but for a while it was quite prevalent around the Phoenix metro area. TIA, Jay Yes, they are cooler. Ever been in a red van in Arizona? all the best -- Dan Ford email: (requires authentication) see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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