Navy special operations command version of the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft

John Halliwell wrote:

If you're starting from scratch, Bell have been trying to get the tilt
rotor to work for 30-40 years with little to show for it.

....except for an aircraft that outflies anything else in its class.

Even their old *prototype* tiltrotors could outrun most modern-day
copters.

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John Halliwell wrote:

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Name one that doesn't suck fuel like crazy.

The Rotordyne wasn't a bad start, with an extra 20 years development who
knows where it might be. There are likely to be other technologies which
could do a similar or better job. If Bell/Boeing could see beyond the
tilt rotor, better opportunities might develop faster.

The problem with the Rotodyne was that is developed about half of its
lift from the (extremely large) rotor, which means it would suffer from
the same problems that helicopters have at high speed, moderated only
somewhat by the fixed wing.

Overall, the "troubled" development of the Osprey is going to take less
time than the fairly-tame design goals of the Eurofighter.

Time will tell on that one.

Since the Osprey is in final flight test prior to full deployment, it's
going to start seeing service next year. It's going to beat the
development time of the Eurofighter by at *least* a couple of years,
unless the Eurofighter manages to go back in time.

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:04:40 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

Since the Osprey is in final flight test prior to full deployment, it's
going to start seeing service next year. It's going to beat the
development time of the Eurofighter by at *least* a couple of years,
unless the Eurofighter manages to go back in time.

arch eyebrow Spock-like Where'd you see that?

John Penta wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:04:40 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

Since the Osprey is in final flight test prior to full deployment, it's
going to start seeing service next year. It's going to beat the
development time of the Eurofighter by at *least* a couple of years,
unless the Eurofighter manages to go back in time.

arch eyebrow Spock-like Where'd you see that?

Because it's only been 17 years for the Osprey versus 20 for the
Eurofighter, and they're at the same stage of acceptance. Eurofighters
were delivered this year to Spain and Germany, and they're testing them
and starting initial instructor training on them, while developing
maintenance and support systems. Ospreys were delivered this year to
the USAF, and they're doing the same things.

Even with the extra tests for the Osprey (the High Rate Descent and
Ring-State issues), they're not that far from initial ops. Heck, some
Marines were wanting to use them in Iraq this Spring...

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 04:07:19 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

John Penta wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:04:40 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

Since the Osprey is in final flight test prior to full deployment, it's
going to start seeing service next year. It's going to beat the
development time of the Eurofighter by at *least* a couple of years,
unless the Eurofighter manages to go back in time.

arch eyebrow Spock-like Where'd you see that?

Because it's only been 17 years for the Osprey versus 20 for the
Eurofighter, and they're at the same stage of acceptance. Eurofighters
were delivered this year to Spain and Germany, and they're testing them
and starting initial instructor training on them, while developing
maintenance and support systems. Ospreys were delivered this year to
the USAF, and they're doing the same things.

Even with the extra tests for the Osprey (the High Rate Descent and
Ring-State issues), they're not that far from initial ops. Heck, some
Marines were wanting to use them in Iraq this Spring...

No, I was asking where'd you see that Osprey is in final flight test
prior to IOC?

I've heard it's farther from the field than that, is all.

John Penta wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 04:07:19 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

John Penta wrote:

On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:04:40 GMT, Chad Irby wrote:

Since the Osprey is in final flight test prior to full deployment, it's
going to start seeing service next year. It's going to beat the
development time of the Eurofighter by at *least* a couple of years,
unless the Eurofighter manages to go back in time.

arch eyebrow Spock-like Where'd you see that?

Because it's only been 17 years for the Osprey versus 20 for the
Eurofighter, and they're at the same stage of acceptance. Eurofighters
were delivered this year to Spain and Germany, and they're testing them
and starting initial instructor training on them, while developing
maintenance and support systems. Ospreys were delivered this year to
the USAF, and they're doing the same things.

Even with the extra tests for the Osprey (the High Rate Descent and
Ring-State issues), they're not that far from initial ops. Heck, some
Marines were wanting to use them in Iraq this Spring...

No, I was asking where'd you see that Osprey is in final flight test
prior to IOC?

I've heard it's farther from the field than that, is all.

Best I can determine, the EMD phase kicked back into gear in DEC 01
(with renewed flight time kicking off in May 02), and was scheduled to
end this coming December, which by coincidence happens to be the same
month that the OPEVAL squadron at New River MCAS comes completely back
to life. OPEVAL is to continue through 2004, which would mean that
yes, they will get an IOC of sorts next year.

Brooks