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Subject: #1 Piston Fighter was British
From: (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised) Date: 7/1/03 1:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time Precisely. On balance the P-51 might have been better, or more reliable (even then it had it's share of teething problems), but the problem was recognised and was being addressed before it showed up. Gavin Bailey On balance the attrition was in allied heavy bombers losses deep penetration. The Luftwaffe lost relatively few fighters against heavy bombers over Berlin with no fighter cover at all. Before the P-51, the Allied situation in the air was a losing proposition for the bombers . I guess you have it have flown bombers to fully understand that. Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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In message , ArtKramr
writes Subject: #1 Piston Fighter was British From: "Steven P. McNicoll" Date: 7/1/03 6:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: nk.net "M. J. Powell" wrote in message ... Quibble Nissan Huts /Quibble Nissen Huts Wait! Wait! I corrected it! Who cares as long as the roofs didn't leak and the pot bellied stoves didn'l smoke up the place. Did you manage to get them red-hot up to the ceiling? Mike -- M.J.Powell |
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Subject: #1 Piston Fighter was British
From: (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised) Date: 7/1/03 7:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: Unescorted daylight strategic bombing wasn't my idea, believe it or not. Gavin Bailey Mine either. At last we agree on something. Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 05:21:09 -0400, Cub Driver wrote:
And I'm not sure that the 38 was all that effective defending bombers against 109s/190s on their home ground. all the best -- Dan Ford (email: info AT danford.net) see the Warbird's Forum at http://www.danford.net/index.htm Vietnam | Flying Tigers | Pacific War | Brewster Buffalo | Piper Cub Dan, the P-38s helped a great deal. Bomber losses dropped by 50% when escorted by nothing more than two very under-strength P-38 Groups. Both the 20th and 55th FGs suffered from large numbers of aborts due to engine problems, on some missions as many as 30% of the P-38 force had to return to base with engine failures. Yet, this tiny force (usually less than 60 fighters) did a great deal to cut bomber losses to sustainable levels. As more P-51B/C Mustangs arrived, the P-38s were able to share the "over target" escort duty, reducing the terrible mismatch in numbers. By early 1944, the situation had reversed and the Luftwaffe was finding itself badly out-numbered. Nonetheless, November and December of 1943 were dangerous times to be flying the P-38 from Britain. Ultimately, the P-38J, which was specifically engineered for tropical climates, was unsuitable for high altitude duty over Europe in the dead of winter. It wasn't until the Spring of 1944 that the P-38L rectified these deficiencies, and by then the 8th Air Force was committed to the P-51. However, both the 9th and 15th Air Forces used the P-38L with good success. Unfortunately, the P-38's development was mismanaged by Lockheed, the WPB and the USAAF. It could have been a far more effective fighter at least a year sooner. My regards, Widewing Widewing (C.C. Jordan) http://www.worldwar2aviation.com http://www.netaces.org http://www.hitechcreations.com |
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Subject: #1 Piston Fighter was British
From: (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised) Date: 7/1/03 7:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time How would you know? Did you fly B-17's on B-24's or A-20's? If not, apply your own rules of censorship and stop talking about anything other than your personal observations of the missions you flew on, and don't talk about anything else. Gavin Bailey I request the same of you. Only talk about what you experienced. I guess we won't be hearing much from you anymore. And I guess you are now the sell-appointed censor of this NG telling guys what they can and can't talk about. That will never happen.If you have a problem with that I invite you , no urge you to add me to your killfile. Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" wrote in message ... Your experience does not amount to the totality of air operations in World War Two. There were millions of people like you out there, doing their best in impossible circumstances at great risk. You're right, of course, but Art will never understand that. |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... I was there. I looked for you but didn't see you, where were you? Read a thousand books. You still won' t have the feeling of what it was all about.. If one cannot learn about the war by reading about it, then there's no point in your writing about it. |
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