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Navy special operations command version of the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft
BOEING CO. and the Bell Helicopter unit of TEXTRON INC. won a $208 million contract for work on the special operations command version of the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft, the Navy said on Tuesday. The Bell-Boeing Joint Program Office won the contract to work on the CV-22 Block 0 and 10 Development Program and extend flight tests of the CV-22 version of the controversial aircraft, the Navy said. The V-22 resumed flight tests in May 2002 -- 17 months after fatal crashes grounded it and raised serious doubts about the technology in the $46 billion program. But Ward Carroll, spokesman for the program, said the aircraft was doing well and was ready to shift from development flight tests to operational flight tests this fall. (Reuters 06:03 PM ET 09/23/2003) Mo http://q1.schwab.com/s/r?l=248&a=867...a&s=rb0309 23 ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts. -- Larry Dighera, |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
BOEING CO. and the Bell Helicopter unit of TEXTRON INC. won a $208 million contract for work on the special operations command version of the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft, the Navy said on Tuesday. There is no such thing as Navy Special Operations Command. These aircraft are for US Special Operations Command and will be operated by the Air Force. The only reason the Navy is involved is that Naval Air Systems Command is the acquisition agent for all Osprey variants. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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Larry Dighera wrote in message . ..
BOEING CO. and the Bell Helicopter unit of TEXTRON INC. won a $208 million contract for work on the special operations command version of the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft, the Navy said on Tuesday. The Bell-Boeing Joint Program Office won the contract to work on the CV-22 Block 0 and 10 Development Program and extend flight tests of the CV-22 version of the controversial aircraft, the Navy said. The V-22 resumed flight tests in May 2002 -- 17 months after fatal crashes grounded it and raised serious doubts about the technology in the $46 billion program. But Ward Carroll, spokesman for the program, said the aircraft was doing well and was ready to shift from development flight tests to operational flight tests this fall. (Reuters 06:03 PM ET 09/23/2003) I believe your title is a little misleading. As I understand it, the CV-22 is for USSOCOM, specifically AFSOC; the Navy is executive agent/program manager for the MV-22/CV-22 program as a whole. CV-22 is not, as of yet, destined for any Naval special operations unit. Brooks Mo http://q1.schwab.com/s/r?l=248&a=867...a&s=rb0309 23 ---------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Ah, good, now we can start killing our own SpecOps guys by the two-dozen instead of mere Marines. Good on ya, Bell/Boeing! Only forty or so deaths in twenty years of development! -- http://www.delversdungeon.dragonsfoot.org Remove the X's in my email address to respond. "Damn you Silvey, and your endless fortunes." - Stephen Weir I hate furries. |
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Bill Silvey" wrote in message m... snip Ah, good, now we can start killing our own SpecOps guys by the two-dozen instead of mere Marines. Good on ya, Bell/Boeing! Only forty or so deaths in twenty years of development! "Forty or so"? Does that include the ones who died when the aliens attacked? Which is, of course being covered up by the guverment.... http://www.zpub.com/notes/osprey.html -- http://www.delversdungeon.dragonsfoot.org Remove the X's in my email address to respond. "Damn you Silvey, and your endless fortunes." - Stephen Weir I hate furries. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBP3WZ2lBGDfMEdHggEQLyawCfV91XlmeHivQu4frmePcHQ4 dLbckAoP2I ulPelutyk+reeyUNIHwM/q69 =LKjJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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"Bill Silvey" wrote in message om...
snip Ah, good, now we can start killing our own SpecOps guys by the two-dozen instead of mere Marines. Good on ya, Bell/Boeing! Only forty or so deaths in twenty years of development! Care to ponder that we have already done so with the MH-47 (like the one that went down off the PI last year with what, some ten folks onboard?) and MH-53? Ever examine the current safety record of the CH-46? The prototype B-29 killed 100% of its test crew, and the B-29 went on to a rather successful career. F-111's had a problem with falling from the sky in their early days, and likewise went on to a successful career. The Comet, from which the RN was to eventually get its current Nimrods, had a bit of a problem with explosive decompression. And the Electra, from which we get the Orion, had a pretty nasty early record as well... I guess the lesson here is supposed to be that if there are developmental problems, the program should be immediately killed, huh Bill? One wonders how many aircraft that kind of thinking would have left us with in the past... Brooks |
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Kevin Brooks wrote: The Comet, from which the RN was to eventually get its current Nimrods.. You'll have crews of the kipper fleet jumping up and down! The RN never operated any of the Nimrod fleet. Nimrods are RAF. TJ |
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
om I guess the lesson here is supposed to be that if there are developmental problems, the program should be immediately killed, huh Bill? One wonders how many aircraft that kind of thinking would have left us with in the past... Brooks Kevin, we've been around this before. It's *twenty years on* and the thing still hasn't shown much capability beyond filling up body bags. I just think it's a bad project. And bad projects themselves aren't the problem; The M247 DIVAD was crap, too, but it (thankfully) didn't kill bunches of people when stuff went wrong with it. leaving some aircraft in the past, I don't think you could qualitatively argue the difference between say, a last-generation prop fighter like the Mustang or Spitfire and first-generation jets. There was an obvious and serious tactical advantage to jets. They were, no pun intended, taking off. Was a P-80 that much better than a P51? Perhaps, perhaps not. But it was evident that the evolutionary track for jets was the way to go. I just don't see what possible purpose or advantage building the Osprey has over building (not refitting or rebuilding or re-engineering) new Helos has. The helo is proven technology, and it continues to get better. Let me ask you this, Kevin, and I'm not being sarcastic when I ask: would you, knowing what we know about the Osprey and it's development issues, take a hop in one if the opportunity presented itself? Say, tomorrow? Understand I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to incite anything. -- http://www.delversdungeon.dragonsfoot.org Remove the X's in my email address to respond. "Damn you Silvey, and your endless fortunes." - Stephen Weir I hate furries. |
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"Bill Silvey" wrote:
I just don't see what possible purpose or advantage building the Osprey has over building (not refitting or rebuilding or re-engineering) new Helos has. Let's see... Speed: Cruise speed almost 100 knots faster than the CH-46 *top* speed (240 versus 145), while carrying about twice as many troops. Ninety knots faster than the CH-53's top speed, with about the same range. Cruises about 60 knots faster than the Blackhawk's top end (85 faster than the Blackhawk's cruise), while carrying twice as many troops. Hell, the Osprey is at least 60 knots faster at *cruise* than our cool little Comanche helos are at *max* speed... and 70 knots faster than the "fastest combat helo" HIND D. The world speed record for pure helicopters is *slower* than the Osprey's *cruise* speed, and is approaching the theoretical max (250 knots or so). The Osprey, by the way, has a top speed of about 275 knots... Range: Twice that of the CH-46. About the same as the Blackhawk for extended-range missions, while carrying twice as much and running about twice as fast. About the same range as the CH-53, while carrying about half as much at twice the speed. Now, why in the *world* would someone consider that an advantage? After the Iraq war, when we found that flying copters slower got them shot up a lot more? The helo is proven technology, and it continues to get better. As will the Osprey. But the regular helicopters aren't going to get *enough* better to let them match the Osprey in any near future. There's no way in hell to make a big cargo copter go much past 180 without radical changes... which puts you back in the "new technologies" boat with the Osprey. -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "Bill Silvey" wrote in message ... Let me ask you this, Kevin, and I'm not being sarcastic when I ask: would you, knowing what we know about the Osprey and it's development issues, take a hop in one if the opportunity presented itself? Say, tomorrow? Well. Obviously I can't speak for Kevin. But if it were a choice between him or me flying in a V-22, he would find himself tied up in a car trunk and hear the sound suspiciously similar to an Osprey taking off nearby and somebody screaming "yahooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!" over the prop roar. -- http://www.delversdungeon.dragonsfoot.org Remove the X's in my email address to respond. "Damn you Silvey, and your endless fortunes." - Stephen Weir I hate furries. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBP3XoyVBGDfMEdHggEQKtrwCg8MvwV3x/ItM6ItRfkADQtJzD2U0AnjjB 8zwRSo+tBFTWTmjeSzOrNXuK =CeMC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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