zzz Speak for yourself Zoom

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:15:43 -0400, " jls" wrote:

"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message

THE COURT: I don't want anymore flippant remarks like that.

How about the flippant remarks? Where are they, what are they, and were
they spoken in the presence of a jury or was this during just a hearing
before the judge?

This was a hearing before the judge, no jury. Basically, Campbell filed a
state suit claiming his Constitutional rights had been violated, and asked
for an emergency injunction to set aside the banning to allow him to attend
SnF 1999. A week or two prior to the event, SnF's attorney had the case
moved to Federal court because of Constitutional claims. Campbell's
attorney still managed to get a court date to have the judge rule on the
motion for a temporary injunction.

Zoom got more than he bargained for. Not only did the judge deny the
temporary injunction, he threw the entire case out.

The "flippant remarks" involved, among other things, Zoom interrupting the
judge. It happened when Zoom was being cross-examined by SnF's attorney:
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Q. Do you know people by the name of Jones, Don Jones --

A. The convicted felon Don Jones who almost killed an FBI agent.

THE COURT: Excuse me, excuse me, he asks the questions --

THE WITNESS: I do know Mr. Jones.

THE COURT: Excuse me, I'm not through yet.

THE WITNESS: Oh, I apologize.

THE COURT: He asks the questions, you give an answer. Do not editorialize,
do not characterize.

THE WITNESS: Oops. It's my job. Sorry, sir.

THE COURT: You know, Mr. Campbell, maybe it hasn't dawned on you, but
you're in a Federal Courtroom now.

THE WITNESS: Yes, sir, I understand that.

THE COURT: Okay, and you're going to conduct yourself accordingly.
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For those without your set of Cap'n Zoom Trading Cards (tm), Don Jones'
("The convicted felon Don Jones who almost killed an FBI agent") OTHER
claim to infamy is that he provided the funding for Jim Campbell's first
magazine venture ("Aviator International," published in California).

It failed after a single issue. Campbell and Jones were sued...but the
wrong James Campbell was served. Before the creditors could correct the
error, Cap'n Zoom departed for Florida and started "Gulf Coast Aviator"
which, after one or two magazines, morphed into "US Aviator."

And, of course, within an issue or two, US Aviator was printing about the
evil Mr. Jones...without mentioning the failed business relationship
between Jones and the publisher/editor/reporter of the magazine.
Ironically, I've been told that Jones was INDEED bad news. But
journalistic ethics required at least revealing the past relationship...
which, in all honesty, would have made a more powerful story.

Odd you should quote this case, John. Last month, SnF's attorneys in
Zoom's current case responded to Campbell's shotgun request for documents.
SnF's response to each request was basically, "...Defendant specifically
objects to this request on the grounds that it is overly broad,
burdensome, unduly vague, ambiguous...", etc.

Typical because apparently what he is trying to do is overwork them and run
them ragged with onerous requests. This sort of excess usually backfires
later on. But maybe his opponents are doing it to him too, in which case
there's a dogfall and the judge finally gets angry and fines both sides.

Better legal minds than I will have to decide whether SnF's requests are
excessively onerous. Out of 26 documents requested by SnF, Campbell claims
that three of the requests are overbroad, and denies that documents exist
in 11 of the requests (like I posted a couple of weeks back, these had to
do with documentation of items such as ANN's circulation and financial
statements to back up Campbell's claim of financial loss due to SnF's
alleged actions). The rest of the requested documents are "Within the
exclusive care, custody and control of the Defendant," or, in three cases,
supplied (copy of his driver's license, etc.).

(Oddly enough, while the reporter says Zoom is *trying* to refile his
original case, he doesn't mention the current one.)

Inform him, Mr. Wanttaja. You are excellent at info. You shoulda been a
lawyer.

All right that does it.... it's pistols at dawn. :-)

I sent an email to the reporter, including a link to the Polk County Clerk
site that lists the filings in the case.

I'm not too sanguine about it. A couple of years back, this same reporter
mentioned Zoom's claims about Chuck, and said "Calls to CGS Aircraft in
Ohio went unreturned." But, of course, they were unreturned because Chuck
was AT Sun-and-Fun. The reporter could have walked right up and got
Chuck's side of the story, but didn't bother.

How this will affect the current case is unknown. The Fly-In president
says that Campbell violated the law by entering the grounds, even if a
mistake was made in selling him a ticket. If this is the case, this would
seem to strengthen SnF's case...after all, they claim they're worried
he'll engage in illegal activities, and here he is, violating a trespass order.

Would this be a court order? Or just a notice by the management that he is
not to come on the grounds?

It's just a trespass notice, not a court order. Bet SnF will also go for a
court order from the judge for the current suit.

(And, in a follow-up message, JLS posted

Well, I read the article Ron published a link to. Campbell's argument is
that the airshow can't keep him out because of the First Amendment. But
First Amendment violations are state actions. Sun'n'Fun keeping the
paunchy menace out is not state action, and besides he's still full of lip.
The federal judge ruled that Sun'n'Fun is not state action. It has the
right to refuse entry.

Campbell claims that SnF gets state or local money, and thus it becomes a
state action. What's NOT mentioned in the newspaper article is that
Campbell *did* subsequently make that claim to the Federal judge, and
requested a re-hearing. The judge turned him down...even if Zoom's claims
were true, there was still no state action involved.

Betcha $100 to a nickel they are trying to take a criminal trespass warrant
against Campbell.

No takers here.

If he ends up in court over this, it'll be interesting. He can't claim he
had a Constitutional right to be there...as a Federal judge has already
ruled that he doesn't. He can't claim it was an act of civil
disobedience...because the point of civil disobedience is to GET arrested,
not skulk around for an hour or so and leave without getting caught.

He'll probably get hit with a small fine and a warning (first offense). No
repeat stay at the Graybar Hotel for Zoom this time....

Ron Wanttaja

"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message
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Wonder if Zoom's attorney knew about this stunt? Wonder how the judge
will view his violation of the trespass order coupled with the past
behaviors documented in the NTSB case?

Ron Wanttaja

Next thing you know, Zoom will file a motion that he and Courtney Love are
friends. hehe

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:26:34 GMT, I wrote:

For those without your set of Cap'n Zoom Trading Cards (tm), Don Jones'
("The convicted felon Don Jones who almost killed an FBI agent") OTHER
claim to infamy is that he provided the funding for Jim Campbell's first
magazine venture ("Aviator International," published in California).

It failed after a single issue. Campbell and Jones were sued...but the
wrong James Campbell was served. Before the creditors could correct the
error, Cap'n Zoom departed for Florida and started "Gulf Coast Aviator"
which, after one or two magazines, morphed into "US Aviator."

Well, heaven forfend. I got some of this wrong. One of the
more-knowledgeable ones corrected me on this one, and, when I checked some
of the public record, I found he was probably right.

I hate it when that happens. But, I'd better correct my posting and be
accurate:

1. "Aviator International" did not fail after a single issue. It was
*never* published. It only existed in a dummied-up form to show what the
published magazine would look like. It never went into printing nor
distribution.

2. It happened in Florida, not California. The plaintiff, a print shop,
filed suit in Hillsborough County, Florida. Case #90-05591-F

3. So, obviously Campbell didn't miss getting re-served by leaving
California for Florida. I was wrong in that aspect. He does confirm that
someone else was accidentally served, instead of him: "I was removed from
that suit, very quickly when the suing parties realized that they were
duped--especially when they served the wrong Jim Campbell (I was never
served BTW)."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E29711218

While he is listed as a defendant, Campbell is not listed as one of the
parties to the final judgement:

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/d...doc_st atus=V

Oddly enough, the plaintiff in the case filed an "Affidavit of Current
Address" referencing this case about eight years later. In this filing,
Campbell is still listed as a defendant.

http://ori2.polk-county.net/wb_or1/d...doc_s tatus=V

Gawd, ain't it great what you can find with a couple of keyword
searches....

Ron Wanttaja

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:03:24 -0500, "El Roto"
wrote:


Next thing you know, Zoom will file a motion that he and Courtney Love are
friends. hehe

Don't laugh.
If you know the Zoom pattern....

This could happen if Courtney should die tragically and\or
prematurely. She then could not refute a claim of close
friendship... or even titillating romance, while he basked in
his self generated limelight.

Ron Wanttaja wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:26:34 GMT, I wrote:

For those without your set of Cap'n Zoom Trading Cards (tm), Don Jones'
("The convicted felon Don Jones who almost killed an FBI agent") OTHER
claim to infamy is that he provided the funding for Jim Campbell's first
magazine venture ("Aviator International," published in California).

It failed after a single issue. Campbell and Jones were sued...but the
wrong James Campbell was served. Before the creditors could correct the
error, Cap'n Zoom departed for Florida and started "Gulf Coast Aviator"
which, after one or two magazines, morphed into "US Aviator."

Well, heaven forfend. I got some of this wrong. One of the
more-knowledgeable ones corrected me on this one, and, when I checked some
of the public record, I found he was probably right.

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Gawd, ain't it great what you can find with a couple of keyword
searches....

Ron Wanttaja


Ron;

There is an airport housing development at Winter Haven called
Eagles Landing,strangely another James Campbell has a home there.I
spoke to him several times and and he told me about the service error.
He threatened to File against everyone so his name was dropped from
the suit.The folks at Color Concepts in the end found that The
zzzoomer didn't have anything to go after so they never refiled on
him.
The post heard round the world authored by me and posted by Bob
Yoder was just a shot across zzzzoom's bow. When I pinned a copy of
this suit on the FBO's bulletin board at Winter Haven zzzzzoom went
ballistic. It lead to a confrontation in the street. ZZZZZoom had most
of his toadies posted as witnesses and he called me over to where he
was. He started on me hoping to get a rise from me and he did. I just
said you are supposed to be such a bad ass (remember he was a Massod
(sp?) agent) lets just you and I go out behind a hangar and settle
this. Well old zzzoomer said something pretty nasty about me and I
thought screw behind the hangar I am going to see if I can feed him
his teeth right here and right now! When I reached for him he started
yelling for the police and running and I just couldn't catch him. This
lead to him filing criminal Assault & Battery charges against me. By
the time the case went to court he had a falling out with the person
that was listed as a witness and she had a memory lapse. I represented
myself and got all the charges dropped.
So history does repeat itself, isn't he having some type of problem
with his witness in his SnF suit. The guy is about as smart as a
bucket of hair.

Frank M.Hitlaw ,14 years fighting the dark side

On 20 Apr 2004 03:25:57 -0700, (Frank Hitlaw)
wrote:

"The guy is about as smart as a bucket of hair."

There's one for the quote file

RR
A relative newcomer at 11 years.

On 20 Apr 2004 03:25:57 -0700, (Frank Hitlaw)
wrote:

"The guy is about as smart as a bucket of hair."

I'm sure glad I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read this...snort..
chucle

Did zoom show up this year?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article , B2431 says...

Did zoom show up this year?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

He sure did and he got in because of a snafu at the media booth .He did have to
buy a ticket tho'. Last I heard, the Federal Judge who issued zoom the "keep
out of SnF" order is not happy and I await further developments on that front.I
also heard the Sheriffs dept is also not happy with zoomy but I didn't hear why.
Had I seen him I would have notified the "authorities" :-) or tackled him!!

Also had a nice conversation with former zoom editor Tim Kerns .He seems to be a
nice guy and is now an official member of the I've been zoomed club . Don't
know of anyone who ever left zooms employ who didn't get zoomed. Among other
things I heard was that Tim was extending zoom the courtesy of a 2 week notice
before he quit. He was then given 10 minutes to get his stuff and get out.
The usual accusations followed ,Tim stole the mailing lists etc,.. Tim didn't
get paid his commissions either .Those of you who used to work for him know
the drill. He's nuts as ever IMOH of course.
Maybe he'll get a contempt of Court charge and spend some time with Bubba in the
slammer. Now that would be justice !!

See ya

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret

"Drew Dalgleish" wrote in message
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On 20 Apr 2004 03:25:57 -0700, (Frank Hitlaw)
wrote:

"The guy is about as smart as a bucket of hair."

I'm sure glad I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read
this...snort..
chucle


Real problem, coffee up the nose smells worse than ****.:-(


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