Rocks Thrown at Border Patrol Chopper

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"Dan Luke" wrote:

That's an interesting way of looking at it. I happen to believe we
(American taxpayers) are getting value for our money because the cheap
labor keeps prices down for food, construction, domestic maintenance,
food service, hospitality, etc.

unless, of course, you have a business that is competing with those that
hire illegal workers.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

leslie wrote:

``...Rob Sanchez, who tracks non-immigrant visa issues and is the
Webmaster for the invaluable www.zazona.com, says school districts
fail to look at unemployed local professionals. Many laid off software
engineers, for example, have gone back to school to get education degrees.

"School districts all over the United States are actively recruiting
foreign teachers for our schools. In this case, Filipino math and
science teachers on H-1B visas have just arrived in Nevada.

Yeah. The teachers' union here in Jersey got certain certification restrictions
put in place to reduce competition from computer people. Basically, if you were
a computer science major, you can't get a teaching certificate. Math and "hard"
science majors get preferrential treatment (they're a bit scarce), but even an
art major can get a certificate. CS majors don't qualify as "science" and don't
have the credits in education or the arts to qualify.

Foreigners with math degrees can walk right in, especially if they can also
teach Spanish. The State mandated Spanish classes for all students a few years
ago and is still a bit short of certified teachers.

There are a few ways around it. A friend of mine is teaching in the prison
system. It doesn't pay well, but she doesn't need the certificate she'd need to
teach high school (and her students are nicer). I've known other people who
worked as "substitute" teachers pretty much full time. Again, they're exempt
from the most restrictive regs, and, again, it doesn't pay much.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

The ones that use real SS# also claim dependents of up to fourteen so
they get less deducted at each payday. After a year, they come back
with different SS# and these slimey employers know this and don't care.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

The ones that use real SS# also claim dependents of up to fourteen so
they get less deducted at each payday. After a year, they come back
with different SS# and these slimey employers know this and don't care.

Why would they need to come back with a new SS #?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

They claim it(multiple dependents) on their W-4, but they don't file
tax return. Their weekly checks don't get taxed as much as if they
claimed 0 dependent. By not using the same SS#, they actually
disappear, (on paper). They come back as someone else or they piggy
back on some innocent person's SS#. That person will have to pay up in
the form of being evaluate as a person earning more than they really
earned.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

Flyingmonk wrote:
They claim it(multiple dependents) on their W-4, but they don't file
tax return. Their weekly checks don't get taxed as much as if they
claimed 0 dependent. By not using the same SS#, they actually
disappear, (on paper). They come back as someone else or they piggy
back on some innocent person's SS#. That person will have to pay up in
the form of being evaluate as a person earning more than they really
earned.

Don't the extra "earnings" flag the IRS as under reported income when
the "owner" of the SSN files their 1040?

Jay Honeck wrote:

Perhaps we should arm the copter with machine guns and fire back?


No, that would be barbaric.

However, I am continually amazed at the vociferous opposition to actually
controlling our borders. For some reason the ACLU and a host of other
do-gooder organizations find it anathema for America to actually restrict
immigration to legal immigrants only -- a fact that baffles me.

We are friends with a family from Columbia. They came to America the hard
way -- legally -- and have struggled over the last decade with obtaining
green cards for their family members, and with becoming American citizens.
It has been a tough row to hoe, and they are rightfully proud of their
efforts and status.

They are also the most vocally anti-Mexican group of people I have EVER
known. Their attitude toward illegal immigrants borders on Fascist -- they
simply despise them for cheating and taking the easy way -- at what they see
as their expense -- and I am sure they would advocate following this
poster's (I hope) tongue-in-cheek suggestion to arm the border patrol
helicopters with machine guns.

But what is so wrong with stopping illegal immigration? Why is it okay to
fly helicopters up and down the Rio Grande 24/7 -- at huge expense -- but
building a fence is seen as some sort of "Berlin Wall"-type of deal?


In the interst of balance...

History being what it is, how can Americans justify keeping
"illegals" out? Every single one of the old immigrants was treading
on Indian toes, killing them, drugging them, using starvation and
biological warfare against them to steal their land, only to turn
around and claim squatter's rights?

It's hypocrisy.

All Americans are already illegals, or the children of illegals, or
of those who have written laws to legalise their occupation of
Indian lands themselves. If it wasn't so disgusting, it would be
almost as funny as the guy who got a hard time entering at
Australian customs when asked if he had a criminal record, when he
replied "Is that still a requirement?"

What's that on the statue of liberty? "Send me your poor, your
downtrodden,..." Yes, them French got a funny sense of humour, all
right.

Some people got no sense at all.

Of course, no one should expect anything better from those who sign
international trade agreements and then ignore them, or who invade
foreign countries on any manufactured excuse at all, as governmental
policy dictated by commercial lobbies. I expect that right thinking
Americans would protest this chicanery in their governmental affairs.

Share the wealth or have it stolen. We are all in this together.

Tolerating illegals, even employing them because it lowers the wage
expectations of legal Mexican workers? Disgusting!

The only option left to the oppressed is surrender, infiltration and
sabotage. It's called homing chickens, or something, isn't it?

What was he doing, flying so low and close to desperate, hostiles,
economic refugees? Where the vigilantees so lazy they didn't want to
run the extra few feet to beat up some wetbacks? Is he so totally
unused to thinking that basic common sense is alien to him?

A starving man has a right to steal food from the fat. If he has
starving children, it becomes his duty, if there are no other options.

How about you? Think much? Ever heard of the golden rule?

Strange, how it all reminds me of a line from "The Worst of the
Jefferson Airplane" : "Let's not register him."

Must all Americans now wear numbers?

JWB is hundreds of years behind the Scriptures, as are some others,
it seems. What will it mean to you when your world is ending?

It is not illegal to be poor.

There is no need for a government to control every aspect of life.

Excessive taxes are wasted on war chasing the wrong fuel?

Why did the levee break? How many companies are now relieved of
their lagoon contents? Who gained from this?

Why are people in New Orleans not all driving hydrogen dirigibles
fuelled with cheap solar cell derived hydrogen? Why do their
concrete basements not float?

Could it be lack of foresight?

When will the next "hundred year storm" strike?

Could a manufacturing industry based on petroleum make do with
hydrogen from solar cell shingles in lieu of some feedstocks?

Should plastic stuff be repairable?

Are you aware it is possible to recycle sewage, electrolyzing the
water to make hydrogen from sunshine, and that dry killed dung is
good fertilizer, odourless, especially for animal feedstocks,
ethelene corn, commonly called cow corn, is used to make another
fuel, corn oil.

Some areas of New Orleans should be cropland. It is sad, I know, and
I am sorry to speak so soon, but plans must go forward.

Some vehicles should be really fuel efficient, cheap, and not taxed
like personal transport guzzler tanks. I personally would like a
backwards tricycle "bike" with two lawn chairs, rain canvas, and a
single rear mounted battery powered "Wheel motor / regenerative
brake", like on the Eliica car. These motors are easy to make,
efficient, and are made and used by the "End of the road" people,
somewhere, from old brake disks and glued on magnets to make
windmills. The automotive motor adapter, electronic controllers,
are really simple, actually. Many "boomer" car stereos use more
power transistors and magnets.

What new industries?

Terry K -SofDevCo- Communications is our most valuable resource.

I am sorry to jump on this bandwagon so quick, but some things have
got to be done soon, and plans must look forward.

Terry Spragg wrote:

In the interst of balance...

History being what it is, how can Americans justify keeping
"illegals" out? Every single one of the old immigrants was treading
on Indian toes, killing them, drugging them, using starvation and
biological warfare against them to steal their land, only to turn
around and claim squatter's rights?

Kennewick Man was here before them...
http://www.friendsofpast.org

History being what it is, how can Americans justify keeping
"illegals" out? Every single one of the old immigrants was treading
on Indian toes, killing them, drugging them, using starvation and
biological warfare against them to steal their land, only to turn
around and claim squatter's rights?

I seriously doubt those who say this, really believe it.

You're condeming Americans as bad people who have no right to a civilized
society, while justifying anarchy.

Your comparison disregards historical context and completely ignores
America's (legal) immigrant past. Colonization and our westward expansion
are history now, and since then we've established the most successful
country in the world.

If you really feel this way, human history must look pretty bleak to you -
and it must very difficult to get up every morning.

What's that on the statue of liberty? "Send me your poor, your
downtrodden,..." Yes, them French got a funny sense of humour, all
right.

It's a monument to legal immigration - not chaos. The joke's on you.

Frankie

In the interst of balance...

History being what it is, how can Americans justify keeping
"illegals" out? Every single one of the old immigrants was treading
on Indian toes, killing them, drugging them, using starvation and
biological warfare against them to steal their land, only to turn
around and claim squatter's rights?

It's hypocrisy.

Psssst Terry....you need to study history a little better. There is strong
evidence the Indians killed off earlier civilizations using the very
techniques you mentioned. They also had no qualms about killing each other
in what ever horrible method they could think up.