Absolute lowest altitude you can fly (legally)

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:39:28 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
wrote:

On 2 Jan 2007 14:57:01 -0600, T o d d P a t t i s t
wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
"Congested areas" have higher minimums.
Yes, but it doesn't say what makes a place a congested area.

When you find out, tell us. The FAA seems happy to not
define it and leave it to the pilot to prove it wasn't
congested when they decide to say it is.

Bingo. The feds hold their cards close to their chest on this
one. It's congested if they say it's congested, and not if they
say it's not. Unfortunately, there is no way for the average
aviator to figure out which is which by reading and interpreting
the regs....

Sure there is. Just screw up. You only need to do so once and you will
most likely find out whether it is or is not congested.


Bela P. Havasreti
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

BT writes:

if you know the answer.. why do you ask..

I didn't know the answer when I asked. I was given a reference in
reply, which I looked up. Now I know the answer.

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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:43:58 -0500, Roger
wrote:

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:39:28 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
wrote:

On 2 Jan 2007 14:57:01 -0600, T o d d P a t t i s t
wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
"Congested areas" have higher minimums.
Yes, but it doesn't say what makes a place a congested area.

When you find out, tell us. The FAA seems happy to not
define it and leave it to the pilot to prove it wasn't
congested when they decide to say it is.

Bingo. The feds hold their cards close to their chest on this
one. It's congested if they say it's congested, and not if they
say it's not. Unfortunately, there is no way for the average
aviator to figure out which is which by reading and interpreting
the regs....

Sure there is. Just screw up. You only need to do so once and you will
most likely find out whether it is or is not congested.


Bela P. Havasreti
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

You've got a point there Roger. How about you go first? 8^)

Bela P. Havasreti

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:39:28 GMT
Bela P. Havasreti wrote:

Bingo. The feds hold their cards close to their chest on this
one. It's congested if they say it's congested, and not if they
say it's not. Unfortunately, there is no way for the average
aviator to figure out which is which by reading and interpreting
the regs....

Bela P. Havasreti

How about it's congested if you couldn't make an emergency landing
without hitting a person, vessel, vehicle, or structure while flying
below the minimum required in a congested area? Seems like a reasonable,
pragmatic way to think about the subject and probably fairly close to
the intent.

Doug

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In article ,
says...
What regulations determine the absolute lowest altitude you can fly
above the ground in the U.S.? I understand that the area just above
the ground is usually Class G outside airports, and it only goes up to
700 or 1200 feet most of the time ... which implies that you can
actually fly at 500 feet AGL if you want. But is there some other
regulation that prohibits aircraft from flying this low, in general or
in certain conditions/areas?

Well... in New Zealand it's 500' - unless you're in an approved low
level (training) area, in which case it's as low a your intructor dares.

Over populated areas it's 1,000'

All AGL.

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Duncan

Why didn't you try to look it up first?

Deja vu all over again.

The entire 14 CFR (better known as "the FARs) are online and
contain the answer to this question.

Basic rule of education
you remember 10% of what you hear
you remember 80% of what you discover yourself

Go forth and discover by reading the FARs.

ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?&c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.tpl

searchable, too!

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 21:28:30 +0100, Mxsmanic
wrote:

BT writes:

if you would take a ground school course..
they would teach you the FARs

If you don't know the answer, you can save your time and not mine by
skipping the reply.

FYI, you little ...

If YOU don't know, and refuse to take the suggested courses, then you
can buy books and magazines and read them in YOUR spare time like I
did. Fortunately, I did not have a simulator I might pretend as real
to take their place, then think to rudely harass someone, or a bunch
of someones (how pompous!) on the internet for free instruction.

There are some excellent authors, both book and magazine, who are
quite public and not expensive. AND there are some excellent web
sites which also have good info and make an effort to not be so dry.
But written materials can be held in hand and pondered at your own
pace. The web is too brief, and cluttered; as is this news group, for
that matter.

We, including you, including me, have the right to avoid others. And
also to group with others in some protected confines to discuss
commonalities. By its nature, aviation of course! deserves more of a
quieted area than, say, college football at a bar.

The want for peace in their own neighborhood (the hell if it is yours)
forces some to treat you politely, when BY ALL RIGHTS, you should
taken out back and have your back-side treated appropriately.
You are a bad guy who hardly deserves a moment of anyone's time. You
have the nerve to demand all there time!

People don't mind an occasional quiz, so, in a news group, there will
always be someone who responds by reflex. But when that's the only
thing going on then, you little..., it suffers. The anger you read,
but not human enough to feel, is real, and appropriate.
--
Mike

Michael Rhodes writes:

If YOU don't know, and refuse to take the suggested courses, then you
can buy books and magazines and read them in YOUR spare time like I
did.

Within the limits of my modest resources, I do.

Fortunately, I did not have a simulator I might pretend as real
to take their place, then think to rudely harass someone, or a bunch
of someones (how pompous!) on the internet for free instruction.

Odd that anyone would see questions as harassment. The only time I
encounter that is when people don't know the answers to the questions,
and dread anyone else finding that out.

There are some excellent authors, both book and magazine, who are
quite public and not expensive. AND there are some excellent web
sites which also have good info and make an effort to not be so dry.

I do research.

But written materials can be held in hand and pondered at your own
pace. The web is too brief, and cluttered; as is this news group, for
that matter.

The Web, however, is free.

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Viperdoc writes:

Why didn't you try to look it up first?

The FARs are rather large.

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