Instrument Rating tests

The IGI is similar to the CFII and IRA tests. The FOI is
same series for all instructor ratings. It does expire in
24 calendar months. But when you pass any ground instructor
rating, basic or instrument and have the FOI, you just apply
for the appropriate certificate. The certificate does not
expire and you must have a current valid FOI OR an issued
rating.


"kevmor" wrote in message
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|I think I read somewhere that the FOI test doesn't expire,
is that
| true? I passed the FOI already, if I pass just the FOI
and IGI, you
| can get the IGI rating from the FSDO? Is the IGI test is
from the
| same question bank as the IRA? Is the IGI test required
to be a CFII
| flight instructor? Would I have any benefit of taking the
IGI test if
| I most likely won't be taking the CFI practical test in
two years?
|
| Thanks all,
| -Kevin
|
| On Feb 16, 8:03 am, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:
| On Feb 15, 5:03 pm, "kevmor" wrote:
|
| I understand it as the IRA (Instrument Rating
Airplane) and FII
| (Flight Instructor Instrument) tests come from the
same question
| bank. Does the FII test expire like the IRA does? I
didn't see it in
| part 61 unless I'm missing something. To me, it seems
like none of
| the tests expire for CFI?
|
| As others have said, it does expire. If you take the IRA
also take the
| IGI exam and get your IGI rating for free (assuming you
already have
| FOI).
| The one difference between CFI knowledge tests and pilot
knowledge
| tests is that you do not need an endorsement to take the
CFI knowledge
| tests, just walk in and take them. I never figured out
why the FAA
| requires endorsements for the pilot knowledge exams.
|
| -Robert, CFII
|
|

The questions were TOP SECRET back in the 1960-1970 era.
Courts ordered the FAA to make the questions public. That
is why they are available. They were published in test
books and when the FAA and Internet discovered each other,
they were made available on-line.

Microsoft has been around only about 25 years, the Internet
about 15.


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
ups.com...
| On Feb 16, 11:26 am, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
| Forty years ago, ACME and other schools were having
their
| students and instructors take the tests [all of them]
dozens
| of times. The tests were of limited numbers and the
schools
| were having student memorize the questions and answers.
|
| I'll admit to having done that a few times. However, I
didn't need to
| take the test dozens of times to do it, the bank of
questions is
| available on the internet and ASA, etc provide all the
answers already
| (I know you know this). It doesn't seem like there is much
benefit of
| taking a test over and over to memorize the questions when
the
| questions are available on the internet.
| Nowadays with study software you can generate tests with
the same
| exact questions as the real test as many times as you like
and take
| them on your PC.
|
| -Robert, CFII
|

ACME SCHOOL of Aeronautics, Ft. Worth, Texas. At Meacham
Field.



"Bob Moore" wrote in message
46.128...
| Robert M. Gary wrote
| I'll admit to having done that a few times. However, I
didn't need to
| take the test dozens of times to do it, the bank of
questions is
| available on the internet and ASA, etc provide all the
answers already
| (I know you know this). It doesn't seem like there is
much benefit of
| taking a test over and over to memorize the questions
when the
| questions are available on the internet.
|
| But that was not the case back in the '60s and '70s. The
FAA had IIRC,
| 4-5 individual tests with 40 questions each. There was a
company in Texas
| that hired people to take the tests just to memorize the
questions. I
| recall buying their booklet with all of the tests in it. I
debriefed all
| of my students taking the tests for any changes.
|
| No one ever worked out the problems, if you had test "A",
the answer to
| the flight planning problem was 2:47. :-)
|
| What was the name of that company and their test guide
?????
|
| Bob Moore

Yep, the lowest level.


"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
...
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| ...
| Forty years ago, ACME and other schools were having
their
| students and instructors take the tests [all of them]
dozens
| of times. The tests were of limited numbers and the
schools
| were having student memorize the questions and answers.
| Rated pilots and instructors were also taking the tests
| multiple times.
|
| That's essentially the way the public schools operate
today - rote
| memorization.
|
|

Jim Macklin wrote

ACME SCHOOL of Aeronautics, Ft. Worth, Texas. At Meacham
Field.

That's it !! The ACME Guides as they were called.

Bob Moore

Glad to kick the old memories in the rear.


They had pilot, rigger, mechanic and instructor guides. All
at a time when the FAA test questions were closely guarded
secrets. The FAA was forced by court order to open the
question bank, so the FAA wrote thousands of new questions
and published them in booklets, without an answer key.
Publishers would work out what they thought was the correct
answer and then wrote their own books.
You had a choice, memorize 1,000s or learn a few facts and
figure out the answer to any question.



"Bob Moore" wrote in message
46.128...
| Jim Macklin wrote
|
| ACME SCHOOL of Aeronautics, Ft. Worth, Texas. At
Meacham
| Field.
|
| That's it !! The ACME Guides as they were called.
|
| Bob Moore

In article ,
"Jim Macklin" wrote:

Glad to kick the old memories in the rear.


They had pilot, rigger, mechanic and instructor guides. All
at a time when the FAA test questions were closely guarded
secrets. The FAA was forced by court order to open the
question bank, so the FAA wrote thousands of new questions
and published them in booklets, without an answer key.
Publishers would work out what they thought was the correct
answer and then wrote their own books.
You had a choice, memorize 1,000s or learn a few facts and
figure out the answer to any question.

I remember when I was cramming for my Instrument written. There were three
questions about MLS (Microwave Landing System) on the test. I had never
flown an MLS and figured I never would, but I knew I might get those
questions on the test, so I had to be ready for them.

Once I noticed the pattern, it was easy. The correct answer (at least
according to Gleim), was the one with the largest number in it. If the
question was:

How many frobnitzes are in an MLS blurfl:

A) 40
B) 6000
C) 22

I knew the answer was B. I didn't know what a frobnitz or a blurfl was,
but I'd sure get all three questions right.

What a crock.

General rule for any multiple choice test, the answer is 3,
C or the longest answer. It also probably does not contain
the words, always, never, or not.

If you don't know the correct answer, look for those clues.

Eliminate answers you know are wrong.
Look for common math errors, the feds will put answers that
have deviation corrected in the wrong direction.
Why 3 or C? you ask. Because with 4 answers, they put two
wrong answers and then knowing that they need the correct
answer, put it in as 3. Of course with computer based
testing, the answer does get switched around so this is
become less useful to the test taker.
Longest answer, it takes more words to tell the whole and
correct answer.

Any wrong word or part of an answer makes the whole answer
wrong.

Also, it is important to look over any reference materials
available before you begin testing, this is probably the
most useful part of the :study guides" that detail what and
where to look for available legends, keys and supplementary
materials.


"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
| In article ,
| "Jim Macklin"
wrote:
|
| Glad to kick the old memories in the rear.
|
|
| They had pilot, rigger, mechanic and instructor guides.
All
| at a time when the FAA test questions were closely
guarded
| secrets. The FAA was forced by court order to open the
| question bank, so the FAA wrote thousands of new
questions
| and published them in booklets, without an answer key.
| Publishers would work out what they thought was the
correct
| answer and then wrote their own books.
| You had a choice, memorize 1,000s or learn a few facts
and
| figure out the answer to any question.
|
| I remember when I was cramming for my Instrument written.
There were three
| questions about MLS (Microwave Landing System) on the
test. I had never
| flown an MLS and figured I never would, but I knew I might
get those
| questions on the test, so I had to be ready for them.
|
| Once I noticed the pattern, it was easy. The correct
answer (at least
| according to Gleim), was the one with the largest number
in it. If the
| question was:
|
| How many frobnitzes are in an MLS blurfl:
|
| A) 40
| B) 6000
| C) 22
|
| I knew the answer was B. I didn't know what a frobnitz or
a blurfl was,
| but I'd sure get all three questions right.
|
| What a crock.

Ok, if you pass the CFII practical test, can you instruct as just a
CFI also?

If your instrument rated, would you get the CFI and CFII during the
same practical test normally?

If you don't become a GI, but pass the CFI practical, can you still
instruct pre and post-flight? Is the GI mainly if you want to
instruct in a classroom setting?

On Feb 16, 8:50 pm, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:
The IGI is similar to the CFII and IRA tests. The FOI is
same series for all instructor ratings. It does expire in
24 calendar months. But when you pass any ground instructor
rating, basic or instrument and have the FOI, you just apply
for the appropriate certificate. The certificate does not
expire and you must have a current valid FOI OR an issued
rating.

A CFII can not instruct for the airplane rating, so is not
an authorized instructor for solo, etc. However, most
instructors will have the airplane rating first, followed by
the II.




"kevmor" wrote in message
oups.com...
| Ok, if you pass the CFII practical test, can you instruct
as just a
| CFI also?
|
| If your instrument rated, would you get the CFI and CFII
during the
| same practical test normally?
|
| If you don't become a GI, but pass the CFI practical, can
you still
| instruct pre and post-flight? Is the GI mainly if you
want to
| instruct in a classroom setting?
|
| On Feb 16, 8:50 pm, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
| The IGI is similar to the CFII and IRA tests. The FOI
is
| same series for all instructor ratings. It does expire
in
| 24 calendar months. But when you pass any ground
instructor
| rating, basic or instrument and have the FOI, you just
apply
| for the appropriate certificate. The certificate does
not
| expire and you must have a current valid FOI OR an
issued
| rating.
|
|