Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !

On 2008-03-25, Edward A. Falk wrote:
Should this story damage Florida? If it's true, I would say yes.

All I know is that N55ZC will not be visiting Florida until after I've paid
Minnesota's 6.5% use tax on the purchase. (That's nearly $10K, ouch!)

I think the AOPA should give some serious thought to moving SnF to a
state that's not so hostile to visiting aviation.

As others have noted, that's an EAA event. I don't know how much control EAA
has over it, but I do know the event has EAA's sanction, at least.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

Sun-N-Fun Fly-In is a nonprofit corporation separate from EAA and
separate from Airventure...
It started as a local EAA chapter throwing a dawn patrol/fly-in, but
it began to grow and make money... When the EAA began demanding to
feed at the trough, the people doing the work in Florida did not see
any reason to just hand the money over...
For those who think of it as just the winter version of the EAA
airshow, go look at the SUN-N-FUN FLY-IN website... No where is the
EAA Logo shown... The only concession to the EAA is if you are a
member of the Florida Air Museum or the EAA, you will get a price
break on your admission fee... in small print and no EAA logo

Whereas, go to the Airventure site and the EAA logo is part of the
copyrighted banner "EAA" AIRVENTURE... So you know which fat hogs are
feeding at the trough...

I don't go to either show, much anymore... At Oshkosh the stench of
greed takes most of the fun out of it... Sun-N-Fun simply has gotten
too big and too commercial, just like AIrventure... I'm looking for a
fly-in with more of the old time fun factor...
Suggestions will be entertained... I do a mean soft shoe routine

denny

"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
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On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any of
you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to do
so
or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns, if the
whole
thing is just a Zoom vendetta?


I suspect Phil Boyer is actually doing something about it, rather than
printing re-runs.

On 2008-03-25, Steve Foley wrote:
"Jay Maynard" wrote in message
...
Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to do
so or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns, if the
whole thing is just a Zoom vendetta?
I suspect Phil Boyer is actually doing something about it, rather than
printing re-runs.

Indeed...and he'd look awfully silly trying to get the Florida Department of
Revenue to fix a problem that's not a problem.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:

Correct - a sale in Florida got hit with a Florida sales tax. That is
perfectly normal and doesn't deserve any press.

The article also mentions a Cirrus; was that a Florida sale?

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

On Mar 25, 3:34*am, Jay Maynard
wrote:
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:

Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any of
you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to do so
or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns, if the whole
thing is just a Zoom vendetta?

Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

The issue isn't so much rather the tax is real but rather it should be
tied into a damning of the Sun-N-Fun event. Clearly, the story was a
reprint with the intent to do harm to the Sun-N-Fun event by
association and a threat that it could happen to anyone attending. I
won't comment on rather something is wrong with the Florida Use Tax
without full details of the context in which it was applied. Using it
to threaten anyone attending Sun-N-Fun with a similar tax or implying
that Sun-N-Fun has any direct relation is totally without merit and
only shows that Campbell will stop at nothing to destroy the event.

On Mar 24, 10:17*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
(Edward A. Falk) wrote:

In article ,
Jim Logajan wrote:
Roger wrote:

See my post where I gave the URL to the May 2007 A.N.N. story. A.N.N.
is basically rehashing a year-old story just ahead of SnF to cause
maximum damage to it and Florida.

Did it really happen or not? *Apparently it did.

Correct - a sale in Florida got hit with a Florida sales tax. That is
perfectly normal and doesn't deserve any press.

*Has the law changed
to prevent a recurrance? *Apparently it has not.

And it doesn't appear to need any changing. You can find it on the web.
Since you appear to be claiming that the law needs changing, why don't
you quote it and tell us what aspect needs changing?

*A simple visit to Florida
could cost you many thousands of dollars. *Anybody tempted to visit
that state deserves to know this.

Baloney. A simple visit to Florida does not trigger use tax. Florida
would not have prevailed if that were their only basis for demanding the
tax.

Should this story damage Florida? *If it's true, I would say yes.

What precisely do you think the story is here? Are you claiming the
seller was not a Florida company? If so, you have information I don't
have. Please share with me who the seller was and what state they were
in. I'm claiming there is a preponderance of evidence indicating Piper, a
Florida company, delivered to a North Carolina person or legal entity a
plane that was subject to Florida sales tax. You present precisely zero
evidence - just outrage.

So; is it true or not? *The AOPA article looks pretty damning.

If it is so damning, then feel free to quote the cases listed in the AOPA
article of inappropriate sales tax. You only need name one. I'll be here
all year.

What evidence do you have that it's not?

Res ipsa loquitur:

Florida has the sales tax money and the buyer gave up, even though by my
estimate the difference between NC and FL taxes for the plane was worth a
bit more than $30,000 to the purchaser.

I fid it passing sstrange that that one case happened almost a year
ago and seemingly none since. I hardly think that Florida would have
passed up the opportunity to collect bales of taxes from out-of-state
planes if it were possible. I am sure that there have been many more
than _one_ new plane bought within 6 months that visited there.

I would be interested in a link to the claimed Maine thing also.

Harry K

On 2008-03-25, BobR wrote:
The issue isn't so much rather the tax is real but rather it should be
tied into a damning of the Sun-N-Fun event.

For you and the other folks primarily concerned with Zoom, perhaps not. For
me as a new aircraft owner, I don't care if he's trying to trash Sun n Fun
or not: I care if Florida is going to try to ding me form $10K or so merely
for taking my new airplane there. I don't care who's raising the red flag,
or why. That AOPA is pursuing the matter is all the credibility I need to be
concerned about it.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June)

On 2008-03-25, Bryan Martin wrote:
The AOPA may have been sucked into this tempest the same as many others
and is now aggressively trying to cut through the fog to get at the truth.

I strongly doubt the AOPA is in the habit of crying wolf. I'd be astounded
to learn that they raised the issue without checking into it to make sure
it's real.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-25, Jim Logajan wrote:
Okay - now - why is the story being rehashed at just this time? Any
of you students of life care to raise a hand and give an answer? ;-)

Would you Zoom-bashers (and I'm not contesting whether you're right to
do so or not!) PLEASE explain why AOPA is raising the same concerns,
if the whole thing is just a Zoom vendetta?

I am not a "Zoom-basher". This is the first time I've ever looked into an
issue related to Jim Campbell. I've been posting to Usenet for many years
and have never previously discussed anything about this fellow and
otherwise could care less. I do have issues with deceptive "journalism"
though.

Zoom Campbell may well be a kook. Phil Boyer is not.

But Phil Boyer can be mistaken or otherwise taken in by deliberately
deceptive reporting. Have you seen any mention of this alleged issue on,
say, AvWeb or EAA's web sites?