Dangerous Cessna evacuates govt again

On Wed, 11 May 2005 23:03:48 -0400, "W P Dixon"
wrote in
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Could you please indulge me as to VFR for PPL , I could not find any
reference to ground .

You can't find it, because it's not in the FARs.

I don't want anyone to take this wrong, it's just a thought that
floated through my head.

Threats don't do any good unless one believes they will be carried out.
Shooting down one Cessna would wake up a lot of pilots. Would also give
the public a "sense of secutiry," however false it may be. Otherwise we
go on with complacent pilots and panic in the streets every time a
small plane flies over.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

Woah Gene! I fly near DC. Used to fly IN DC. while I totally
understand your feelings, It is just too close to home for me to go
along with that one! LOL I'll try not to be in the news.

Flyingmonk

In article .com, Gene Seibel wrote:
Threats don't do any good unless one believes they will be carried out.
Shooting down one Cessna would wake up a lot of pilots.

Exemplary 'justice' is not justice. Also consider the people below that
the burning parts of missile and aircraft would rain down on - why
should they deserve to die also?

Those pilots do NOT deserve to be shot down, and it would not be
justice. They SHOULD have an appropriate punishment that any pilot would
get for violating a prohibited area of airspace.

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Nearly a million pilots in this country don't deserve to be portrayed
as potential terrorists night after night in the media either, but it
happens and I don't see any end in sight. OF COURSE, I don't actually
want to see a Cessna shot down. I'm just frustrated by the situation.
As I said in my post, I expressed a wild thought. I immediately knew I
shouldn't have.

How do we get the media, and subsequently the American people to
understand that these small airplanes are flown by our American friends
and neighbors? I give up. The only way I could see the media EVER
showing that picture is if they had to do a story on the American
family shot out of the sky. The picture they like is the pilot on the
ground surrounded by agents.

But I'd better shut up. I'm going to be very misunderstood again.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.

How do we get the media, and subsequently the American people to
understand that these small airplanes are flown by our American friends
and neighbors? I give up. The only way I could see the media EVER
showing that picture is if they had to do a story on the American
family shot out of the sky. The picture they like is the pilot on the
ground surrounded by agents.

But I'd better shut up. I'm going to be very misunderstood again.

No you won't, Gene. Those who "misunderstand" your thoughts do so
purposefully.

You have hit the nail right on the head, sad to say. The ONLY way this crap
is going to stop is when a family like mine gets blown out of the sky by a
Blackhawk's mini-gun, live on CNN.

Only when little bits of Piper are raining down on D.C. -- and the
subsequent exposes and docu-dramas are made for the USA network -- will the
following happen:

a) The stupid TFRs will be relaxed, and
b) Stupid pilots will FINALLY get the message.

Until then, we can only hold our breath and wait for the other shoe to drop.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Threats don't do any good unless one believes they will be carried out.
Shooting down one Cessna would wake up a lot of pilots.

Perhaps, but it would likely wake-up the poor unfortunate people below as
shards of the wreckage sliced through their homes and spawned fires.
Frankly, I'm glad that we don't have 'Barney Fife' on the fire button of
those fighters - cooler heads will always prevail. Bad enough our
leadership got us bogged down in that 'new Vietnam' in the Middle East.

Would also give
the public a "sense of security," however false it may be.

So they would feel more secure knowing that airplane parts and flaming
aviation fuel & oil will be raining upon their heads after the little Cessna
is shot down... and then you find out it was totally harmless intrusion and
you've just killed people on the ground and destroyed property? I think you
better re-read your post. ;o)

I would rather see a harsh administrative penalty, maybe in the form of a
temporary suspension of the CFI's credentials while he gets retested by an
examiner on navigation in the Washington ADIZ.

I was surprised to learn that the flight was manned by a CFI along with his
student (they were going to an airshow). I should think that the CFI should
at least be required to demonstrate their navigation skills in a partial
checkride. I mean,,, geez!?



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On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:28:35 GMT, "Cecil Chapman"
wrote:

I was surprised to learn that the flight was manned by a CFI along with his
student (they were going to an airshow). I should think that the CFI should
at least be required to demonstrate their navigation skills in a partial
checkride. I mean,,, geez!?

Not a CFI. A certified pilot and a student pilot but the certified
pilot was not a CFI according to Phil Boyer, who has been attempting
to straighten out the facts for several days now.

See the online version of AOPA, just came out this morning.

Corky Scott

"Gene Seibel" wrote in message oups.com...
I don't want anyone to take this wrong, it's just a thought that
floated through my head.

Threats don't do any good unless one believes they will be carried out.
Shooting down one Cessna would wake up a lot of pilots. Would also give
the public a "sense of secutiry," however false it may be. Otherwise we
go on with complacent pilots and panic in the streets every time a
small plane flies over.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


They probably should have shot down the Governor of Kentucky when his plane raised the ruckus...

This is what happens when you place these extreme restrictions around
a single city while the rest of the entire country is wide open to
whoever the hell wants to come in.

When this government finally faces the realities of securing the borders
then I'll have some sympathy. In the meantime lets crucify some hapless
private pilot for flying to close to Washington in his Piper Cub.