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Annual overdue by a few days
On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote: On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry wrote: The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from the FSDO is near his desk. actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft. unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion doesnt come into it. Stealth Pilot |
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Annual overdue by a few days
On Sun, 4 May 2008 10:52:47 -0500, "Travis Marlatte"
wrote: One could, if one were daring, just do the flight. Otherwise, contact the local FSDO to get a ferry permit. the savvy would sent the paperwork by courier over to the maintenance people then fly over to them. if stopped, "oh the paperwork is with the maintenance people, I'm just flying it over there now for the annual" bwhahahahahah Stealth Pilot |
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Annual overdue by a few days
On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote: On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark wrote: On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry wrote: The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from the FSDO is near his desk. actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft. unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion doesnt come into it. Stealth Pilot I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity. "§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits. (a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed by the Administrator, indicating— (1) The purpose of the flight. (2) The proposed itinerary. (3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g., pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc. (4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the applicable airworthiness requirements. (5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe operation of the aircraft. (6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations. (b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety." I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign a box saying it was safe to move for the annual. |
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Annual overdue by a few days
On Mon, 05 May 2008 10:37:35 -0400, Peter Clark
wrote: On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot wrote: On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark wrote: On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry wrote: The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from the FSDO is near his desk. actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft. unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion doesnt come into it. Stealth Pilot I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity. "§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits. (a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed by the Administrator, indicating— (1) The purpose of the flight. (2) The proposed itinerary. (3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g., pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc. (4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the applicable airworthiness requirements. (5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe operation of the aircraft. (6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations. (b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety." I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign a box saying it was safe to move for the annual. is that your reg covering ferry flights? our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to have) Stealth Pilot |
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Annual overdue by a few days
On May 5, 8:48 am, Stealth Pilot
wrote: On Mon, 05 May 2008 10:37:35 -0400, Peter Clark wrote: On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:06:24 +0800, Stealth Pilot wrote: On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:22:42 -0400, Peter Clark wrote: On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry wrote: The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from the FSDO is near his desk. actually the thing about a ferry permit is that the pilot is the one who determins whether the aircraft is flyable, the permit is basically an own recognisance waiver to fly an "unairworthy" aircraft. unless you yanks do it differently than in australia the A&P's opinion doesnt come into it. Stealth Pilot I guess it's another FSDO bizzarity. "§ 21.199 Issue of special flight permits. (a) Except as provided in §21.197(c), an applicant for a special flight permit must submit a statement in a form and manner prescribed by the Administrator, indicating— (1) The purpose of the flight. (2) The proposed itinerary. (3) The crew required to operate the aircraft and its equipment, e.g., pilot, co-pilot, navigator, etc. (4) The ways, if any, in which the aircraft does not comply with the applicable airworthiness requirements. (5) Any restriction the applicant considers necessary for safe operation of the aircraft. (6) Any other information considered necessary by the Administrator for the purpose of prescribing operating limitations. (b) The Administrator may make, or require the applicant to make appropriate inspections or tests necessary for safety." I guess under paragraph B the FSDO here made me get a mechanic to sign a box saying it was safe to move for the annual. is that your reg covering ferry flights? our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to have) Stealth Pilot In Canada an AME (Aircraft Maintenance Engineer) has to get the permit. Dan |
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Annual overdue by a few days
On Mon, 05 May 2008 22:48:13 +0800, Stealth Pilot
wrote: is that your reg covering ferry flights? our regs have a section specifically on ferry flights.(or used to have) Special flight permit = ferry flight. |
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Annual overdue by a few days
It also depends on how far you want to ferry the plane. 50 or 100 miles then probably no problem. No FSDO is going to give you a ferry permit to go 1000 miles back to your home airport for an annual. They'll just tell you to get the annual locally. Peter Clark wrote: On Sun, 4 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT), Larry wrote: Am I allowed to fly my plane to a near by airport in order to complete the aircraft annual even if it is a few days after annual due date? In other words annual was done on 4/29/07 and now we are into May. What do I need to do to get permission and how long can this extension be. Would this be different than a "Ferry Flight" limited to 10hrs. Or......Thanks Get your A&P to call the FSDO and get a ferry permit. As soon as the annual expired it's no longer legal to reposition to the other airport. The fly-over-to-reposition provisions of the 100hr inspection don't apply to annual inspections. The ferry permit is basically a formality. The A&P gets one, signs off that the aircraft is safe to move, and hands it to you to go get the aircraft. Takes about 1/2 hour to arrange assuming the guy from the FSDO is near his desk. |
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Annual overdue by a few days
In article ,
Robert M. Gary wrote: It also depends on the FSDO. Some FDSO's require basically a 100 hr inspection before issuing the permit. The San Jose FSDO gave me a ferry permit with the proviso "All ADs complied with". But some of the ADs required regular inspection. I pretty much had to get the plane inspected in order to fly it to the airport to get inspected. -- -Ed Falk, http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/ |
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Annual overdue by a few days
On May 5, 6:00*pm, (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
The San Jose FSDO gave me a ferry permit with the proviso "All ADs complied with". But some of the ADs required regular inspection. *I pretty much had to get the plane inspected in order to fly it to the airport to get inspected. I have a Mooney which requires all flight controls and gear to be lubed plus a gear load test by AD. At that point you might as well just do the annual. You sure as heck don't want to open all those panels up to do the AD and then have to open them again to do the annual. That's about 4 hours of screw turning. -Robert |
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Annual overdue by a few days
4 hours of wrench turning just to get at a part? Bwaaaaaaahhhhhhhh I thought my 182 was bad when it took 15 minutes to get both cowl halves off. Robert M. Gary wrote: I have a Mooney which requires all flight controls and gear to be lubed plus a gear load test by AD. At that point you might as well just do the annual. You sure as heck don't want to open all those panels up to do the AD and then have to open them again to do the annual. That's about 4 hours of screw turning. -Robert |
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