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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Tony, The 4000 hours had to have lost them sales Well, they're the best selling piston single engine aircraft line. So just what do you base that statement on? That I don't have one yet? - Andrew |
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Thomas Borchert wrote: Tony, The 4000 hours had to have lost them sales Well, they're the best selling piston single engine aircraft line. So just what do you base that statement on? b A couple of things actually. First, the pure logic which dictates that many pilots would not lay out $500,000 on an aircraft with a specified airframe life of 4000 hours. Second, of the three friends of mine who own SR20's, they were all put off by the specified airframe life of the SR22. Third, a conversation with the Cirrus sales team at Arlington. I asked them if they had any further progress in extending the airframe life of the SR22. They told me that they were still waiting, but when it was approved they expected sales on the SR22 to improve dramatically. Tony -- Tony Roberts PP-ASEL VFR OTT Night Cessna 172H C-GICE |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Well, if a dealer will not give me a price for a straight purchase, he won't sell me a vehicle. So far, I've bought only two new vehicles, and I have never traded another one in. This past June Mary and I decided we needed a "knock around" car, mostly because she was sick of driving "The Mighty Grape" around town. (It's our ugly purple pickup truck that hauls 55 gallons of gas to the plane, and only seats two people...I love it!) Over the course of a few days this idea slowly transformed from "Let's buy a beater" to "Let's buy a sports car!" (Don't ask me how -- it just did.) So, Mary, the kids and I were up in Cedar Rapids on our days off, when we decided to drive around and look at car lots. Driving aimlessly, we stumbled across a pristine red-orange Mustang Cobra convertible sitting on the lot of a used car dealership that specializes in selling only cherry sports cars. I didn't look twice at it, because the Mustangs we had already test driven didn't have enough rear seat headroom for the kids. Mary, however, instantly fell in love with the looks of the thing, so I stopped to take a look... It was ten minutes before closing when we walked in looking like something straight out of the Beverly Hillbillies. I hadn't shaved in two days, and was wearing a baseball cap and torn up jeans. Mary didn't look much better, and the kids were cranky and hungry. The salesman took one look at me, looked at his watch, and reluctantly agreed to let us take the car for a test drive. He kept exchanging knowing glances with his office manager, and you could just tell that they were really, REALLY ****ed about being late for supper. Well, we test drove the car, and instantly fell for it. Being a convertible, the back seat headroom (with the top up, natch) was dramatically better than in the hard-top -- so the kids actually fit back there comfortably -- and the thing handled like a danged Formula 1 race car. Jay, I can safely say then that you have never driven a Formula 1 car. :-) Mustangs don't even handle like BMWs, let alone Formula cars of any genre! Matt |
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It's funny - I'm 29 - own my own business...and tend to dress really casual. I just don't like dressing up. I understand that if I show up to a car dealership with ripped jeans and sandals - they won't take me seriously. I can either choose to "prequalify" myself to the seller (and make him realize that I'm worth his time) - or I can get dressed up, and let the illusion carry me through the door. It's a fact of life...we all make choices - and those choices have repercussions. Not to say that stereotyping people based on appearance is right - but it happens, and we have to deal with it. "C Kingsbury" wrote in message ink.net... "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... "C Kingsbury" wrote in message A former boss of mine drove a five year old Buick, wore Sears clothes, a Seiko $150 watch (a gift from his daughter) and when writing during a meeting once I tesed him because he used a "Brakes Plus" BIC pen. His wife had a simple, inexpensive wedding ring. He often wore jeans and cowboy boots. He was worth some $15million. And, no, he wasn't miserly at all. I've been working on starting my own company for quite some time now, and about a month ago I sold my "nice" car and traded down to a very modest little 2-door ford coupe to get rid of my monthly payments and extract some equity as the car was worth more than I owed on it. When I bought the car it had been my sign of arrival, that I finally was doing well enough to not worry about every little bit. As I watched it drive away, I said, "well, in a year or so when the business starts to hum I'll get that Audi convertible I really want." Funny thing is, now that I've been driving my 1998 Escort around for a month, I'm saying, "geez, this ain't so bad. Maybe I'll get the Chrysler instead of the Audi and save the money for the plane/boat/condo." It's sometimes funny how skimping regularly on the little things can in time add up to enough to pay for the big ones. Living in a high-cost city does not make this easy... -cwk. |
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Matt Barrow wrote:
I take that a bit further and tell them I'll let them "go talk to my sales manager" only ONCE after which I'll walk out the front door. Actually I let them go as many times as they want...but I usually have an idea of what a fair price is for the both of us and won't deal with their counter offers. Usually after the second trip they agree to my price. And I never trade anything in anyhow. I have the propensity to drive the cars into the ground so they aren't worth bothering with (one day I pointed to by beater 20 year old car when they asked about trades, they would have been better off if they didn't have to have it towed off their lot). |
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Joe Herman wrote:
It's funny - I'm 29 - own my own business...and tend to dress really casual. I just don't like dressing up. I understand that if I show up to a car dealership with ripped jeans and sandals - they won't take me seriously. I can either choose to "prequalify" myself to the seller (and make him realize that I'm worth his time) - or I can get dressed up, and let the illusion carry me through the door. Interesting. I've never had problems at a car dealer and I've never dressed up to enter one in 25+ years. You all must deal with some really incompetent car dealerships. Matt |
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Ron Natalie wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote: I take that a bit further and tell them I'll let them "go talk to my sales manager" only ONCE after which I'll walk out the front door. Actually I let them go as many times as they want...but I usually have an idea of what a fair price is for the both of us and won't deal with their counter offers. Usually after the second trip they agree to my price. Yes, same here. I figure time is on my side, not theirs. The more time we all take, the better it comes out for me. I once spent 5 WEEKS negotiating for a car. I got it for my price in the end and even got a call from the owner of the dealership to finalize the deal. And I never trade anything in anyhow. I have the propensity to drive the cars into the ground so they aren't worth bothering with (one day I pointed to by beater 20 year old car when they asked about trades, they would have been better off if they didn't have to have it towed off their lot). Yes, another good strategy if saving money is your goal. Matt |
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Andrew,
Well, they're the best selling piston single engine aircraft line. So just what do you base that statement on? That I don't have one yet? You done broke the code, Lt. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Jay,
I don't think the words "sports car" and "Mustang" belong in the same sentence or context. The latter isn't the former. Never was, never will be. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message ... And I never trade anything in anyhow. I have the propensity to drive the cars into the ground so they aren't worth bothering with (one day I pointed to by beater 20 year old car when they asked about trades, they would have been better off if they didn't have to have it towed off their lot). One of my next-door neighbors was buying a new car and made a deal to trade in a real bomber for a $500 credit. They had everything signed but the dealer needed a day to condition the car, so he told my neighbor to keep his car and drive back the next day. On the way in, the thing died. He called from his cell phone and told the dealer to send their tow truck out. The salesman who made the deal apparently took quite a ribbing as the tow truck pulled his trade-in onto the lot. -cwk. |
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