A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Piloting
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Class B busted...My problem or the controller's ?



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old May 29th 05, 03:48 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Jose" wrote in message
. ..

I knew somebody would say that. You'd hear it on the other radio.


No you wouldn't. A stuck mike blocks the frequency.



It might even be the other radio that's causing the problem. i.e. you're
operating split, the copilot is on ground with the stuck mike, and you are
on tower. You take off to do pattern work. Tower tell you to turn off
all your radios. The pilot hears it, the copilot (of course) does not.


The tower isn't going to do that.


  #42  
Old May 29th 05, 04:16 AM
Jose
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

No you wouldn't. A stuck mike blocks the frequency.

It doesn't block the other frequency.

The tower isn't going to do that.


Maybe your tower won't do that.

Jose
--
The price of freedom is... well... freedom.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
  #43  
Old May 29th 05, 04:22 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Jose" wrote in message
m...

It doesn't block the other frequency.


It only broadcasts on one frequency.



Maybe your tower won't do that.


No tower will.


  #44  
Old May 29th 05, 04:31 AM
Jose
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

It only broadcasts on one frequency.

Right. The stuck mike is on ground, monitored by the co-pilot operating
split. The other radio is on tower, monitored by the pilot.

Happened at DXR.

Jose
--
The price of freedom is... well... freedom.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
  #45  
Old May 29th 05, 04:50 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Jose" wrote in message
m...

Right. The stuck mike is on ground, monitored by the co-pilot operating
split. The other radio is on tower, monitored by the pilot.


Now you're catching on.



Happened at DXR.


Perhaps, but DXR tower didn't tell everyone to turn off all their radios.


  #46  
Old May 29th 05, 05:00 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

While the ultimate responsibility for complying with FARs lies with
the PIC, it is my understanding that ATC is mandated by FAAO 7110.65*
to coordinate transit into/through the airspace of other facilities.


Radar controllers are required to coordinate with the control tower for
transit authorization when providing radar traffic advisory service to an
aircraft that will enter a Class D surface area. That's not the situation
here.


  #47  
Old May 29th 05, 05:11 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
...

I think what Antoņio was asking for was a regulation to support the notion
that a pilot can or must refuse an ATC instruction just because compliance
would violate the FARs. That is, what regulation says that other
regulations take precedence over 91.123b (which requires compliance with
ATC instructions, except if there's an emergency need to deviate)? As far
as I can tell, there's no such regulation (although AIM 4-4-1a,b and
4-4-6c are at least tangentially relevant).


From FAA Order 7110.65:

"Pilots are required to abide by CFRs or other applicable regulations
regardless of the application of any procedure or minima in this order."

http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp2/atc0201.html#2-1-1


  #48  
Old May 29th 05, 05:21 AM
Jose
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Perhaps, but DXR tower didn't tell everyone to turn off all their radios.

No, just the offending aircraft.

Jose
--
The price of freedom is... well... freedom.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
  #49  
Old May 29th 05, 05:23 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default


"Jose" wrote in message
.. .

No, just the offending aircraft.


Not that either.


  #50  
Old May 29th 05, 05:25 AM
Jose
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Not that either.

You were there? I was.

Jose
--
The price of freedom is... well... freedom.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sports class tasking [email protected] Soaring 12 April 25th 05 01:32 PM
Class III vs. Class II medical G. Sylvester Piloting 11 February 8th 05 06:41 PM
One Design viability? Stewart Kissel Soaring 41 December 10th 03 03:27 AM
RF interference issue again (esp. for E Drucker and Jim Weir and other RF wizards) Snowbird Home Built 78 December 3rd 03 09:10 PM
RF interference issue again (esp. for E Drucker and Jim Weir and other RF wizards) Snowbird Owning 77 December 3rd 03 09:10 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Š2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.