Rigging a Cherokee 6-300

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:34:31 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Jay, mine has a pointer on the top of the thing where the knob is. The
pointer
moves forward and aft as you turn the knob.

By God, Ray, today Mary and I "discovered" the pointer you are talking
about! During a flight to Wisconsin today I mentioned your post to Mary --
and, with the autopilot working again, we had plenty of time to goof
around -- so we peered down at our ankles and played with the rudder trim
knob, and "found" the rudder trim pointer in the little oval cutout just
above the rudder trim knob.

Mind you, I've been flying Cherokees for over nine years now, of all flavors
and vintages, and have accumulated nearly 800 hours in them -- and I have
NEVER seen that pointer there before, nor has anyone ever mentioned it to
me. I suppose because it is of such limited value (the pointer moves up and
down, for gosh sakes -- what does THAT indicate in side-to-side rudder
trim?), and also because it is nearly invisible down there by your shins,
neither of us had ever noticed it before! (It doesn't help that our
indicator is painted black, instead of white like the rudder trim indicator.
I'm going to remedy that next time I've got the touch-up paint out.)

So, just when you think you know everything about your airplane, along comes
something like this. Next I'll discover that my gear is supposed to
retract, or sumpin'...

Be careful of that gear. I hear that it will retract if you land too
flat.

The little indicator really doesn't go "up and down". The painted line
(which is probably faded by now) is a line drawn on the "corkscrew"
of the rudder trim knob. As you turn the knob, the bolt (or post or
whatever it's attached to -- check the parts manual for the
exploded diagram) is rotating, and the line moves. If I remember
correctly, as you turn the knob clockwise, the line "moves up" in
the little window.

Um, "moving up" (and down) in the little window is what I said. The
indicator moves up or down, depending on which way you turn the knob.

How is this indicator supposed to indicate anything significant with regards
to rudder trim? It should move left and right, IMHO.

Of course, it's obviously not a critical thing, since I didn't even know it
was there until yesterday! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article Xw4gb.694888$uu5.112675@sccrnsc04, Jay Honeck
wrote:

By God, Ray, today Mary and I "discovered" the pointer you are talking
about! During a flight to Wisconsin today I mentioned your post to Mary --
and, with the autopilot working again, we had plenty of time to goof
around -- so we peered down at our ankles and played with the rudder trim
knob, and "found" the rudder trim pointer in the little oval cutout just
above the rudder trim knob.
Mind you, I've been flying Cherokees for over nine years now, of all flavors
and vintages, and have accumulated nearly 800 hours in them -- and I have
NEVER seen that pointer there before, nor has anyone ever mentioned it to
me. I suppose because it is of such limited value (the pointer moves up and
down, for gosh sakes -- what does THAT indicate in side-to-side rudder
trim?), and also because it is nearly invisible down there by your shins,
neither of us had ever noticed it before! (It doesn't help that our
indicator is painted black, instead of white like the rudder trim indicator.
I'm going to remedy that next time I've got the touch-up paint out.)
So, just when you think you know everything about your airplane, along comes
something like this. Next I'll discover that my gear is supposed to
retract, or sumpin'...

Makes me wonder what else you haven't "discovered" by (not?) reading
the POH? ;-))
Now that I think about it...
Is the POH part of the aircraft basic empty weight or the useful load?

My POH doesn't even mention the rudder trim, much less the indicator.

EDR wrote:

In article Xw4gb.694888$uu5.112675@sccrnsc04, Jay Honeck
wrote:

By God, Ray, today Mary and I "discovered" the pointer you are talking
about! During a flight to Wisconsin today I mentioned your post to Mary --
and, with the autopilot working again, we had plenty of time to goof
around -- so we peered down at our ankles and played with the rudder trim
knob, and "found" the rudder trim pointer in the little oval cutout just
above the rudder trim knob.
Mind you, I've been flying Cherokees for over nine years now, of all flavors
and vintages, and have accumulated nearly 800 hours in them -- and I have
NEVER seen that pointer there before, nor has anyone ever mentioned it to
me. I suppose because it is of such limited value (the pointer moves up and
down, for gosh sakes -- what does THAT indicate in side-to-side rudder
trim?), and also because it is nearly invisible down there by your shins,
neither of us had ever noticed it before! (It doesn't help that our
indicator is painted black, instead of white like the rudder trim indicator.
I'm going to remedy that next time I've got the touch-up paint out.)
So, just when you think you know everything about your airplane, along comes
something like this. Next I'll discover that my gear is supposed to
retract, or sumpin'...

Makes me wonder what else you haven't "discovered" by (not?) reading
the POH? ;-))
Now that I think about it...
Is the POH part of the aircraft basic empty weight or the useful load?

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

My POH doesn't even mention the rudder trim, much less the indicator. Actually,
it isn't even a POH, it is an AFM in my case. I don't know what year Jay's is,
but I'll bet his POH or AFM is just as informative as mine.

Makes me wonder what else you haven't "discovered" by (not?) reading
the POH? ;-))
Now that I think about it...
Is the POH part of the aircraft basic empty weight or the useful load?

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

In article , Ray Andraka
wrote:

My POH doesn't even mention the rudder trim, much less the indicator.
Actually,
it isn't even a POH, it is an AFM in my case. I don't know what year Jay's
is,
but I'll bet his POH or AFM is just as informative as mine.

Makes me wonder what else you haven't "discovered" by (not?) reading
the POH? ;-))
Now that I think about it...
Is the POH part of the aircraft basic empty weight or the useful load?

Yes, I owe Jay an apology.
Depending upon what year your aircraft was manufactured, will determine
how much information your POH contains. I is interesting order POH's
for older airplanes nowadays. With all the additional CYA supplements
included, you now get three books for price of one (Cessnas). Piper's
books are all-in-ones that have just gotten thicker.
My 1972 PA32-300 POH contains much more information than 1978 PA32-300
POH. The charts are the same, more placards and equipment information.

Yes, I owe Jay an apology.

*snurf* Accepted.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

The AFM for my Cherokee Six could hardly be called a book. It is a relatively
thin stack of 8.5x11 very yellowed sheets stapled together.

EDR wrote:

In article , Ray Andraka
wrote:

My POH doesn't even mention the rudder trim, much less the indicator.
Actually,
it isn't even a POH, it is an AFM in my case. I don't know what year Jay's
is,
but I'll bet his POH or AFM is just as informative as mine.

Makes me wonder what else you haven't "discovered" by (not?) reading
the POH? ;-))
Now that I think about it...
Is the POH part of the aircraft basic empty weight or the useful load?

Yes, I owe Jay an apology.
Depending upon what year your aircraft was manufactured, will determine
how much information your POH contains. I is interesting order POH's
for older airplanes nowadays. With all the additional CYA supplements
included, you now get three books for price of one (Cessnas). Piper's
books are all-in-ones that have just gotten thicker.
My 1972 PA32-300 POH contains much more information than 1978 PA32-300
POH. The charts are the same, more placards and equipment information.

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759