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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message


Requiring professional attire equates to "employee abuse"?

If it is a change in the working agreement, that hasn't been agreed to
by both parties, I would see it as inequitable and unjust. If changes
are desired, they should be openly negotiated by all concerned.

You didn't answer my question.

"Inequitable" and "unjust" don't equate to "abuse" in any thesaurus I know,
so I'm still wondering how requiring professional attire equates to
"employee abuse".

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Flip-flops are a personnel
safety issue; they can make you fall down and hurt yourself.

.... and ties are a safety issue, they can get caught in machinery. Yet
employers mandate them.

Jose
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Since then, [unions] have gotten very powerful. Arguably too powerful.
Still?

I don't know. I am not taking a stand on whether the unions (or any
particular union) is or are too powerful. What I am taking a stand on
is the idea that "it's a small issue so you should just comply".

Jose
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Jose wrote:
Flip-flops are a personnel
safety issue; they can make you fall down and hurt yourself.

... and ties are a safety issue, they can get caught in machinery. Yet
employers mandate them.

Jose
Name one company that makes machine workers wear ties.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:15:09 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On 4 Sep 2006 06:35:19 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in . com:

In our hotel, our employee dress code is relatively liberal -- but it's
strictly adhered to.

Was acceptance of your dress code a condition of employment at the
time your employees were hired?

Doesn't matter, job requirements can change, within the limits of the law,
at any time.


When a job condition changes it opens the door to negotiation. If the
new condition were for example double production, how would you feel?

The options are to meet the new requirements, leave or be terminated.

"Jose" wrote in message
om...
A union levels the playing field, which otherwise is skewed towards the
employer. Some unions tip the playing field too far the other way.
I disagree. It distorts the free market of labor causing inefficiency.

The free market works when employers and employees have equal clout. If
one side gets too much clout, the "freedom to walk" becomes meaningless,
thus distorting the free market of labor. This was why unions were formed
in the first place.

Since then, they have gotten very powerful. Arguably too powerful.

Unions are dying at a rapid rate. Membership is a shadow of what it once
was.

Jose
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In the end, the point isn't what I like, or what you like -- it's what
the employer likes. If the FAA decides that it wants you to wear polka
dot clown suits every day, so be it.

I will wear whatever my employer wishes, provided they also provide it.

In that case you quite likely would find yourself pursuing other
opportunities.

Happy landings.

Name one company that makes machine workers wear ties.

Why machine workers? You think there's a special safety issue at ATC
with flip flops?

Jose
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Jose wrote:
Name one company that makes machine workers wear ties.

Why machine workers? You think there's a special safety issue at ATC
with flip flops?

Jose
You said "... and ties are a safety issue, they can get caught in
machinery. Yet employers mandate them."

And I said, "name on company who makes machinery workers wear ties"

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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EDS is Electronic Data Systems, Inc., the folks that do IT for GM.
They have a reputation in the industry for draconian labor practices
(as did Henry Ford):


Ross Perot is also the man who moved heaven and hell to get his people out
of Iran when the Shah was ousted...

As for Henry Ford, he may not have been as draconian as a lot of people
think. My maternal grandfather went to work for ol' Henry after graduating
from Ford's first industrial education program. I've been told by family
that any time Henry came down to the production floor, he would seek out my
grandfather, greeted him by name and would always inquire about his health
and happiness. It has also been said that Mr. Ford (in the early days)
maintained a fairly "open door policy" for his empoyees.

Perhaps once Ford Motor Company began it's exponential growth this practice
simply became untenable.

Jay B