Capt. Al Haynes sorta OT.

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 05:33:05 -0800, wrote:



Jay Honeck wrote:


Capt. Haynes is a retired airline captain, and a sought-after speaker on the
mashed-potato circuit. As such he should set for life, and pretty much
rolling in money.

There are some retired TWA pilots that need to work to make ends meet. There
are some recently retired pilots from "reorganized" carriers who have lost a
good portion of their retirement.

Then, there's those overpaid school teachers in California who retire at 100%,
get COLA increases from a bankrupt state, and who are rolling in dough.~

And should we feel sorry for each and every person who either made a
bad decision in their lives or squandered their savings?

As I say to the major propilots on the field, it would be a real bitch
to have to live on $150K a year. Stop your ****ing and moaning and
get on with life.

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:59:54 GMT, "Matthew S. Whiting"
wrote:

wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:


Capt. Haynes is a retired airline captain, and a sought-after speaker on the
mashed-potato circuit. As such he should set for life, and pretty much
rolling in money.


There are some retired TWA pilots that need to work to make ends meet. There
are some recently retired pilots from "reorganized" carriers who have lost a
good portion of their retirement.

That is truly infortunate, but I have a hard time feeling too sorry for
folks that made well over $100K/year and didn't sock away a little on
their own for retirement. I make less than most senior airline pilots
and I'm not planning on having SS be available when I retire nor my
company pension. If one or both are still there, that will be gravey.


Then, there's those overpaid school teachers in California who retire at 100%,
get COLA increases from a bankrupt state, and who are rolling in dough.~

I'm not familiar with CA (thankfully!), but in most states teachers make
a LOT less than airline pilots.

And put up with mounds more bull**** for about 10 hours a day and at
least 20 days out of the month.

In article VLIIb.707319$Tr4.1787059@attbi_s03,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:
I don't mean to be cynical (that's Martin's job), but something doesn't add
up here...

Capt. Haynes is a retired airline captain, and a sought-after speaker on the
mashed-potato circuit. As such he should set for life, and pretty much
rolling in money.

Yet he can't borrow/raise $250K to save his daughter's life?


First of all, do we know that Capt. Haynes and not some other person is
behind the public fundraising for his daughter?

Secondly, do we know how much Capt. Haynes is making these days, or what
his expenses have been through his misfortune?

And thirdly, do we know what Capt. Haynes' relationship is with his
daughter? One of the articles that I read seemed to suggest that he
didn't view his daughter's life as any more important than someone
else's, which I thought was a little strange. Maybe I misinterpreted
what he said, or perhaps he was misquoted, but even if he was trying to
be objective about this sort of thing, it is human nature to value
family and friends more than others.



JKG

Stu Gotts wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 05:33:05 -0800, wrote:



Jay Honeck wrote:


Capt. Haynes is a retired airline captain, and a sought-after speaker on the
mashed-potato circuit. As such he should set for life, and pretty much
rolling in money.

There are some retired TWA pilots that need to work to make ends meet. There
are some recently retired pilots from "reorganized" carriers who have lost a
good portion of their retirement.

Then, there's those overpaid school teachers in California who retire at 100%,
get COLA increases from a bankrupt state, and who are rolling in dough.~

And should we feel sorry for each and every person who either made a
bad decision in their lives or squandered their savings?

As I say to the major propilots on the field, it would be a real bitch
to have to live on $150K a year. Stop your ****ing and moaning and
get on with life.

No ****ing and moaning from me. I just burns me when you jerks think all airline
pilots make or made $150K per year. That was my point, but you Cessna wannabes are
so jealous of real pilots, your vision is more than slightly clouded.

That is (was) true of some, but certainly not all. At TWA they couldn't break the
$100 K barrier, and the F/Os and F/Es did far worse.

Jonathan Goodish wrote:

be objective about this sort of thing, it is human nature to value
family and friends more than others.



Hope that never changes.

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 07:31:29 -0800, wrote:



Stu Gotts wrote:

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 05:33:05 -0800, wrote:



Jay Honeck wrote:


Capt. Haynes is a retired airline captain, and a sought-after speaker on the
mashed-potato circuit. As such he should set for life, and pretty much
rolling in money.

There are some retired TWA pilots that need to work to make ends meet. There
are some recently retired pilots from "reorganized" carriers who have lost a
good portion of their retirement.

Then, there's those overpaid school teachers in California who retire at 100%,
get COLA increases from a bankrupt state, and who are rolling in dough.~

And should we feel sorry for each and every person who either made a
bad decision in their lives or squandered their savings?

As I say to the major propilots on the field, it would be a real bitch
to have to live on $150K a year. Stop your ****ing and moaning and
get on with life.

No ****ing and moaning from me. I just burns me when you jerks think all airline
pilots make or made $150K per year. That was my point, but you Cessna wannabes are
so jealous of real pilots, your vision is more than slightly clouded.

That is (was) true of some, but certainly not all. At TWA they couldn't break the
$100 K barrier, and the F/Os and F/Es did far worse.

I'm far from a Cessna wannabe and certainly wouldn't want to take the
pay cut in order to become an airline pilot. Fact of the matter is in
my Money Magazine defined "upscale" town of residence, the average
family annual median income is $87.5K. That'll include all the folks
making $45K and all the folks making $500K. Not NYC, where COL is
through the roof, but still located within a major metroplex. That
could be determined to say that in the surrounding area a majority of
regular people are supporting families very well at about $60K per
year. If you, or your crybaby friends can't make a go of it at $100K+
per year, why not subsidize your income with a second job at Home
Depot rather than look down your noses at who you think may be jealous
of your career choice.

It's been my experience that the higher the pay, the more ****ing and
moaning goes on. On my field we have Delta guys at $250K, American
guys at $200K and Southwest guys at $12.00 an hour. The most crying
comes from those who realize that if they can't fly, they're incapable
of surviving. The least amount of crying is from those boys that
struggled, were furloughed for a few years or out of a job completely.
They realize that life does not begin or end flying for someone.
Happy New Year.

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No ****ing and moaning from me. I just burns me when you jerks think all airline
pilots make or made $150K per year. That was my point, but you Cessna wannabes are
so jealous of real pilots, your vision is more than slightly clouded.

We're talking about a guy who was left seat on a DC-10 for United however.

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 05:42:13 +0000, StellaStar wrote:

What have you been on the Internet for, two weeks? Sheesh, what a weenie.
Martin's a delightful individual with an original sense of humor and a mastery

As to being around a couple weeks, what a laugh. I've been around since
before it was commercialized and IMO Usenet was a better place then
because you had real answers, not the drivel Martin spews. If you went to
a newsgroup on aviation that's what you found, not this propaganda Martin
spews. When I started reading Usenet the only way to get it was by a UUCP
connection, so I have been here for more than a couple weeks. I lurk more
than I post, but I do post once in a while.

I have yet to see a posting from him describing his flights, or places
he's gone flying at, or kids he's taken up. Does he even fly a plane, or
is he just out there flying high?

What "positive" thing has he done for either pilots here, or aviation in
general? Why does he even post in the aviation newsgroups when he refuses
to talk aviation? Why doesn't he just drop in on the soc.* groups and
harass them? His postings are more on topic there than here.

In the end, I've got a cold and he just pushed the wrong buttons and I
vented. You can only take Martin in small doses.

For a positive comment about him, he does post references for many of his
more down to Earth claims.

I would like to challenge Martin to post only about Aviation with no
political undertones for one week. I bet he can't do it.

I think we are missing the real issue here. It's not whether Capt. Haynes
could or should be able to pay for his daughter's treatment. Rather, it is
that our broken health insurance system has once again failed to meet
reasonable expectations. This sort of catastrophically expensive but
nonetheless essential treatment is in fact exactly why we need health
insurance. But the scenario here is, tragically, all too common. It
wouldn't even make the news if not for Capt. Haynes's (well deserved) fame.
The victim, insured through his or her employer, gets too sick to work.
Eventually he or she loses insurance coverage and cannot get a new policy
that will cover the pre-existing condition. It's win-win for the insurance
companies (who help propagate this outrage with massive campaign
contributions to corrupt politicians) and lose-lose for working Americans.

--
-Elliott Drucker

Well said and the reminder is a good one!

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 19:39:20 GMT, wrote:

I think we are missing the real issue here. It's not whether Capt. Haynes
could or should be able to pay for his daughter's treatment. Rather, it is
that our broken health insurance system has once again failed to meet
reasonable expectations. This sort of catastrophically expensive but
nonetheless essential treatment is in fact exactly why we need health
insurance. But the scenario here is, tragically, all too common. It
wouldn't even make the news if not for Capt. Haynes's (well deserved) fame.
The victim, insured through his or her employer, gets too sick to work.
Eventually he or she loses insurance coverage and cannot get a new policy
that will cover the pre-existing condition. It's win-win for the insurance
companies (who help propagate this outrage with massive campaign
contributions to corrupt politicians) and lose-lose for working Americans.