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On May 16, 6:10*pm, sisu1a wrote:
* hmmm ... ok, so looking at the mix of off the shelf components, how come it is only 300 less ... shouldn't it be half the cost of a ClearNav? Or is the difference reflective of a higher mark-up? From what I understand, they both use basically 'off shelf' components... *ClearNav's are in custom molded plastic shells and Craggy Ultimate's are in custom anodized aluminum shells... *ClearNav runs a hopped up version Glidenav II (GlideNav III?) where Craggy runs SeeYou Mobile or WinPilot, neither of which are exactly slouchy. ClearNav is soon to have a vario to go with it and is also expecting it's logger to receive IGC approval though, which will greatly improve it's cost effectiveness however. Not sure about Richard's plans in this dept, but I think SeeYou is working out a Craggy specific version for it... * Richard? -Paul Are the ClearNav and Ultimate seen as just slightly different design solutions for the same problem? I thought the ClearNav had some Nav/ Display features that gave pilots a competitive advantage ... i.e. other then a larger display. If you go to a contest, will you see any of the national level pilots using one of these. Any preference for one over the other? |
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Are the ClearNav and Ultimate seen as just slightly different design
solutions for the same problem? *I thought the ClearNav had some Nav/ Display features that gave pilots a competitive advantage ... i.e. other then a larger display. *If you go to a contest, will you see any of the national level pilots using one of these. Any preference for one over the other? I think the 'glide amoeba' function is the biggest tactical display difference that ClearNav uses. Instead of concentric circles for where you can/can't reach from your current position, based on your user set L/D & altitude margins and skewed for wind, it also takes specifically into account high/low terrain, making them more amoeba-ish in shape than circular, which could indeed be highly useful when flying in/ around places with peaks/valleys since it will show you routes through gaps and notches that the normal circles could lead you to believe you just can't make it through since those I believe are based on the highest point of terrain within the circle (?). I can see that being an advantage, but I have neither system and there are some pretty respectable pilots running both of systems, so I can't be of much help in that dept... I believe ClearNav's version of GlideNav also has user selectable sizes for the navbox infos as well. -Paul |
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On May 16, 5:04*pm, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote: Here is the Dell pin out map. Look at the bottom of the page.http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.c...ximX50Hardware Actuall the Craggy Aero Design focused on performance and value to the customer. *It has 1" larger on the diagonal screen, 3 to 4 times the processor speed, 4 times more resolution 640X480 , State of the art Software SeeYou Mobile or WinPilot and a very erogonomic hand held ball track mouse. No messy boards on the back and $300 less than a Clear Nav. Richardwww.craggyaero.com hmmm ... ok, so looking at the mix of off the shelf components, how come it is only 300 less ... shouldn't it be half the cost of a ClearNav? Or is the difference reflective of a higher mark-up? It sounds like you are confusing production cost (labor and component cost) with selling price, which is usually set by market considerations, not per unit cost. *I doubt anyone selects their next soaring instrument based size of the markup! The price it "should" be is up to the seller. Why not ask NK if their price "shouldn't" be twice the cost of the Ultimate? Personally, I'm hoping Richard has a huge markup on the Ultimate, because that will encourage others to enter the market with better or cheaper units. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly * "Transponders in Sailplanes"http://tinyurl.com/y739x4 * * * Sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org Eric, Yes, I think you are correct here; I did stray into marketing strategy - but my real focus was on understanding component/development costs. And yes again, we do not buy instruments based on markup - although many of us do seem to buy wing tape based on that consideration ...;-) |
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On May 16, 12:18*pm, wrote:
On May 16, 2:00*pm, wrote: On May 15, 8:13*pm, wrote: On May 15, 8:02*pm, ContestID67 wrote: Interesting idea which I had thought about for automotive use. *Of course there is increased power draw but it would be a poor man's ClearNav. *Does only the Dell's provide you VGA out? *How about IPAQs. *Thanks. A number of PDAs have VGA displays. I just happened to see the VGA cable advertisement and realized the Dell did not need any other components to drive a VGA display. I would think the other PDS could also do this, although I am not sure. I have found a document for the DELL pin outs, which would allow you to construct a cable with interfaces to the VGA, GPS and a power source. Yes, sticking together a bunch of off-the-shelf components does look like a poor-man solution, but more like the Craggy Aero design approach. I understand the ClearNav design focused on ergonomics and NK designed all new hardware and software components to achieve this goal The price of both systems is very close, however, and much higher then this poor- man approach would cost - if it worked. It's hard to believe someone has not experimented with this already. Here is the Dell pin out map. Look at the bottom of the page.http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.c...ximX50Hardware Actuall the Craggy Aero Design focused on performance and value to the customer. *It has 1" larger on the diagonal screen, 3 to 4 times the processor speed, 4 times more resolution 640X480 , State of the art Software SeeYou Mobile or WinPilot and a very erogonomic hand held ball track mouse. No messy boards on the back and $300 less than a Clear Nav. Richardwww.craggyaero.com hmmm ... ok, so looking at the mix of off the shelf components, how come it is only 300 less ... shouldn't it be half the cost of a ClearNav? Or is the difference reflective of a higher mark-up?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jim, If you look at the mix of components: Tthe Craggy Aero Ultimate has 4 times more screen resolution that the ClearNav, three to 4 times better faster processor, a larger screen, a brighter screen and state of the art fully developed software. So it should cost more that the ClearNav but as I said before it is $300 less. Richard www.craggyaero.com |
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On May 16, 10:09*pm, sisu1a wrote:
Are the ClearNav and Ultimate seen as just slightly different design solutions for the same problem? *I thought the ClearNav had some Nav/ Display features that gave pilots a competitive advantage ... i.e. other then a larger display. *If you go to a contest, will you see any of the national level pilots using one of these. Any preference for one over the other? I think the 'glide amoeba' function is the biggest tactical display difference that ClearNav uses. Instead of concentric circles for where you can/can't reach from your current position, based on your user set L/D & altitude margins and skewed for wind, it also takes specifically into account high/low terrain, making them more amoeba-ish in shape than circular, which could indeed be highly useful when flying in/ around places with peaks/valleys since it will show you routes through gaps and notches that the normal circles could lead you to believe you just can't make it through since those I believe are based on the highest point of terrain within the circle (?). I can see that being an advantage, but I have neither system and there are some pretty respectable pilots running both of systems, so I can't be of much help in that dept... I believe ClearNav's version of GlideNav also has user selectable sizes for the navbox infos as well. -Paul Fonts in both WinPilot and SeeYouMobile can be selected by the User. Not only in the Nav Boxes but almost any font in the program. Richard www.craggyaero.com |
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On May 17, 9:42*am, wrote:
On May 16, 12:18*pm, wrote: On May 16, 2:00*pm, wrote: On May 15, 8:13*pm, wrote: On May 15, 8:02*pm, ContestID67 wrote: Interesting idea which I had thought about for automotive use. *Of course there is increased power draw but it would be a poor man's ClearNav. *Does only the Dell's provide you VGA out? *How about IPAQs. *Thanks. A number of PDAs have VGA displays. I just happened to see the VGA cable advertisement and realized the Dell did not need any other components to drive a VGA display. I would think the other PDS could also do this, although I am not sure. I have found a document for the DELL pin outs, which would allow you to construct a cable with interfaces to the VGA, GPS and a power source. Yes, sticking together a bunch of off-the-shelf components does look like a poor-man solution, but more like the Craggy Aero design approach. I understand the ClearNav design focused on ergonomics and NK designed all new hardware and software components to achieve this goal The price of both systems is very close, however, and much higher then this poor- man approach would cost - if it worked. It's hard to believe someone has not experimented with this already. Here is the Dell pin out map. Look at the bottom of the page.http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.c...ximX50Hardware Actuall the Craggy Aero Design focused on performance and value to the customer. *It has 1" larger on the diagonal screen, 3 to 4 times the processor speed, 4 times more resolution 640X480 , State of the art Software SeeYou Mobile or WinPilot and a very erogonomic hand held ball track mouse. No messy boards on the back and $300 less than a Clear Nav. Richardwww.craggyaero.com hmmm ... ok, so looking at the mix of off the shelf components, how come it is only 300 less ... shouldn't it be half the cost of a ClearNav? Or is the difference reflective of a higher mark-up?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jim, If you look at the mix of components: Tthe Craggy Aero Ultimate has 4 times more screen resolution that the ClearNav, *three to 4 times better faster processor, a larger screen, a brighter screen and state of the art fully developed software. * So it should cost more that the ClearNav but as I said before it is $300 less. Richardwww.craggyaero.com and 1000x more self promotion. |
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On May 17, 8:06*am, wrote:
On May 17, 9:42*am, wrote: On May 16, 12:18*pm, wrote: On May 16, 2:00*pm, wrote: On May 15, 8:13*pm, wrote: On May 15, 8:02*pm, ContestID67 wrote: Interesting idea which I had thought about for automotive use. *Of course there is increased power draw but it would be a poor man's ClearNav. *Does only the Dell's provide you VGA out? *How about IPAQs. *Thanks. A number of PDAs have VGA displays. I just happened to see the VGA cable advertisement and realized the Dell did not need any other components to drive a VGA display. I would think the other PDS could also do this, although I am not sure. I have found a document for the DELL pin outs, which would allow you to construct a cable with interfaces to the VGA, GPS and a power source. Yes, sticking together a bunch of off-the-shelf components does look like a poor-man solution, but more like the Craggy Aero design approach. I understand the ClearNav design focused on ergonomics and NK designed all new hardware and software components to achieve this goal The price of both systems is very close, however, and much higher then this poor- man approach would cost - if it worked. It's hard to believe someone has not experimented with this already. Here is the Dell pin out map. Look at the bottom of the page.http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.c...ximX50Hardware Actuall the Craggy Aero Design focused on performance and value to the customer. *It has 1" larger on the diagonal screen, 3 to 4 times the processor speed, 4 times more resolution 640X480 , State of the art Software SeeYou Mobile or WinPilot and a very erogonomic hand held ball track mouse. No messy boards on the back and $300 less than a Clear Nav. Richardwww.craggyaero.com hmmm ... ok, so looking at the mix of off the shelf components, how come it is only 300 less ... shouldn't it be half the cost of a ClearNav? Or is the difference reflective of a higher mark-up?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jim, If you look at the mix of components: Tthe Craggy Aero Ultimate has 4 times more screen resolution that the ClearNav, *three to 4 times better faster processor, a larger screen, a brighter screen and state of the art fully developed software. * So it should cost more that the ClearNav but as I said before it is $300 less. Richardwww.craggyaero.com and 1000x more self promotion. If the "amoeba" is the big thing, then GPS_Log has it for free and it comes with both a WinCE and a 32 bit windows version. I'm thinking of running the 32bit version on a Via Pico ITC motherboard and a 7" LED backlit LCD. |
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bildan wrote:
On May 17, 8:06 am, wrote: On May 17, 9:42 am, wrote: On May 16, 12:18 pm, wrote: On May 16, 2:00 pm, wrote: On May 15, 8:13 pm, wrote: On May 15, 8:02 pm, ContestID67 wrote: Interesting idea which I had thought about for automotive use. Of course there is increased power draw but it would be a poor man's ClearNav. Does only the Dell's provide you VGA out? How about IPAQs. Thanks. A number of PDAs have VGA displays. I just happened to see the VGA cable advertisement and realized the Dell did not need any other components to drive a VGA display. I would think the other PDS could also do this, although I am not sure. I have found a document for the DELL pin outs, which would allow you to construct a cable with interfaces to the VGA, GPS and a power source. Yes, sticking together a bunch of off-the-shelf components does look like a poor-man solution, but more like the Craggy Aero design approach. I understand the ClearNav design focused on ergonomics and NK designed all new hardware and software components to achieve this goal The price of both systems is very close, however, and much higher then this poor- man approach would cost - if it worked. It's hard to believe someone has not experimented with this already. Here is the Dell pin out map. Look at the bottom of the page.http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.c...ximX50Hardware Actuall the Craggy Aero Design focused on performance and value to the customer. It has 1" larger on the diagonal screen, 3 to 4 times the processor speed, 4 times more resolution 640X480 , State of the art Software SeeYou Mobile or WinPilot and a very erogonomic hand held ball track mouse. No messy boards on the back and $300 less than a Clear Nav. Richardwww.craggyaero.com hmmm ... ok, so looking at the mix of off the shelf components, how come it is only 300 less ... shouldn't it be half the cost of a ClearNav? Or is the difference reflective of a higher mark-up?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jim, If you look at the mix of components: Tthe Craggy Aero Ultimate has 4 times more screen resolution that the ClearNav, three to 4 times better faster processor, a larger screen, a brighter screen and state of the art fully developed software. So it should cost more that the ClearNav but as I said before it is $300 less. Richardwww.craggyaero.com and 1000x more self promotion. If the "amoeba" is the big thing, then GPS_Log has it for free and it comes with both a WinCE and a 32 bit windows version. I'm thinking of running the 32bit version on a Via Pico ITC motherboard and a 7" LED backlit LCD. XCSoar has the same thing, as well. And it works, I tested it yesterday. Oh, and it's free for most any auto nav device or pda. Or PC for that matter, even your homebrewed Via Pico computer. |
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If you want quality, in a product specifically designed to run
XCSoar, look at www.triadis.ch for the Altair, or on my site www.swiftavionics.com.au |
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