About forward slips

What's the proper procedure to execute a forward slip, how should the
aircraft be expected to react when it is performed, and what are the
main uses of the forward slip? And why is it called a _forward_ slip?

I've been reading about this, and from what I understand, the
procedure is to roll to one side and hold the rudder to the opposite
side. I've tried this in the sim. The aircraft rolls to the side I'm
rolling it to, and then seems to slide downward almost in the same
plane as the wings, only a bit steeper. Altitude is lost very quickly
indeed, but airspeed stays steady. Is this what happens in real life?
Am I doing it correctly? What's the correct procedure to return to
level flight?

Somebody said that MSFS cannot simulate forward slips correctly. What
is missing in the simulation?

Note that, by default, MSFS is configured to link the rudder to the
ailerons. All turns are forced into coordinated turns, and there's no
independent rudder control. This can be turned off to improve
realism. But with this default option enabled, it's impossible to
perform any maneuver that requires rudder control independent of
aileron control.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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What's the proper procedure to execute a forward slip, how should the
aircraft be expected to react when it is performed, and what are the
main uses of the forward slip? And why is it called a _forward_ slip?

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/a...lane_handbook/

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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What's the proper procedure to execute a forward slip, how should the
aircraft be expected to react when it is performed, and what are the
main uses of the forward slip? And why is it called a _forward_ slip?


A forward slip is a way of losing altitude rapidly without gaining
substantial airspeed, essentially by placing the airplane in a stable
condition in which the wings are less-effective. Another use of a slip is
to align the aircraft with the runway during a crosswind.

Executing a forward slip, for its most basic flight-sim-type purposes,
involves lowering one wing with the aileron and using opposite rudder to
keep the aircraft oriented; it can be dangerous at slow speeds because the
crossed controls create a perfect condition for spin entry on a stall during
short final.
The oppose rudder (if left wing is dipped, right rudder is applied)
introduces drag as the tail is no longer aligned with the direction of
travel, and the airflow comes over the wing at an angle instead of direct,
reducing the component of lift across the airfoil.

Three basic rules about slipping on final are 1) Don't stall, 2) Don't stall
and 3) Don't stall.
-c

gatt wrote:
Three basic rules about slipping on final are 1) Don't stall, 2) Don't stall
and 3) Don't stall.

And ...

4) The ground will catch you...

"Gary Drescher" wrote in
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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What's the proper procedure to execute a forward slip, how should the
aircraft be expected to react when it is performed, and what are the
main uses of the forward slip? And why is it called a _forward_ slip?

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/a...lane_handbook/

He won't read it :-(

Allen

gatt wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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What's the proper procedure to execute a forward slip, how should the
aircraft be expected to react when it is performed, and what are the
main uses of the forward slip? And why is it called a _forward_ slip?


A forward slip is a way of losing altitude rapidly without gaining
substantial airspeed, essentially by placing the airplane in a stable
condition in which the wings are less-effective. Another use of a slip is
to align the aircraft with the runway during a crosswind.

Executing a forward slip, for its most basic flight-sim-type purposes,
involves lowering one wing with the aileron and using opposite rudder to
keep the aircraft oriented; it can be dangerous at slow speeds because the
crossed controls create a perfect condition for spin entry on a stall during
short final.
The oppose rudder (if left wing is dipped, right rudder is applied)
introduces drag as the tail is no longer aligned with the direction of
travel, and the airflow comes over the wing at an angle instead of direct,
reducing the component of lift across the airfoil.

Three basic rules about slipping on final are 1) Don't stall, 2) Don't stall
and 3) Don't stall.

Right. The first turn of a spin will lose about 500' or more. Not good
if you are pulling from a long base to final. And, you probably won't
have enough rudder to get it out.

Make sure you have the flaps fully deployed when you do it....

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Make sure you have the flaps fully deployed when you do it....


Especially if it is a C-172N with the placard that says "Avoid Slips with
the Flaps Extended" while on a checkride... :-)

Mxsmanic wrote:
What's the proper procedure to execute a forward slip, how should the
aircraft be expected to react when it is performed, and what are the
main uses of the forward slip? And why is it called a _forward_ slip?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_(aerodynamic)

Somebody said that MSFS cannot simulate forward slips correctly. What
is missing in the simulation?

I've read it has something to do with its inability to calculate the
lift, or perhaps just the default aircraft don't handle it. However,
I believe some third party aircraft explicity address the slip issue.
What's that C172 realistic addon? Drat. I've forgotten, but it's a
far better 172 than the stock one.

Note that, by default, MSFS is configured to link the rudder to the
ailerons. All turns are forced into coordinated turns, and there's no
independent rudder control.

That's a major reason why simmers who don't own rudder pedals get
little of the realism that the sim can sometimes offer.

Kev

gatt wrote:
Three basic rules about slipping on final are 1) Don't stall, 2) Don't stall
and 3) Don't stall.

When I slip to landing, I always crank in some small forward (down)
trim just in case I get distracted. Am I the only one that's this
paranoid?

Kev