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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Aratzio pinched out a steaming pile
: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:24:17 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f got double secret probation for writing: Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. We gots ours! http://www.airshipventures.com Was watching it a few months ago doing patterns around Moffet field. Nice. Blimps do lousy in adverse wind conditions but who needs to travel anyway wehn teh weather is bad? ^_^ -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
ah wrote in news:4973fe28$0$57681
: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: ah wrote in anews.com: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670 : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354 @newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! ROLF! Tie me kangaroo down, sport. What-ho, Squiffy? uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh.. Cabbages on the ceiling, Ser! Rice in all the crevices. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Eeyore wrote in
: Government Shill #2 wrote: Great Tarverisms #5 The pitot tube was added to the first American jets to prevent the kind of failures that killed an entire squadron off Florida. Without P1 and T0 a jet will stall in fog. Thanks to both of you for playing. John rec.aviation.military 11 August 2002 Has he expired ? What's it to you netkkkop? Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
: Government Shill #2 wrote: George wrote: I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin? From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat) straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed, to fly/glide the airplane? ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and the asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time ago that I read about it. Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just above stall speed. It wouldn't have been just above stal speed, it would have been just above V2 whihc would have been at least VSO 1.2 http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0 A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered. Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost vertically into the water. PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss of airspeed and control during takeoff. " Loss of airspeed due to the loss of three engines. The HP woudl have been attempting to maintain altitude with a speed trade and no thrust to spare. He would have entually hit VMC and rolled doing this. Just like Concorde.. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Eeyore wrote in
: George wrote: How about the hijacked jet that crashed off the Atlantic? And what jet would that be? Aww, Pooh pooh is setting you up for a put down when he reveals that Ethiopian didn't crash in the atlantic. That all you got Poo Poo? Bertie |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
: "George" wrote in message .. . On Jan 18, 3:37 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote: I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or Ricky. Are you having an identity crisis? Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX. George (aka; Ricky) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Wow dicky, you figured that out all on your own? Take the G out of George or the R out of ricky, and you still have a dumb ass. An take the asshole out of MAxie and you got nothing. Bertie |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
wrote in message ... Good job. You have just proven yourself as stupid and childish as your friend. Have you lcated some sort of random insult generatort there Maxie? Maybe on the Burger King Kids Korner Page? BTW, yo mama like a cuppa coffee Bertie |
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