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Could you please provide factual evidence that the system you have outlined
will make my children more successful and/or happy in life than had they been educated otherwise? Thanks. "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in : "Judah" wrote in message ... My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my daughter will start Kindergarden next fall. Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge presented to them. 1) Avoid public schools 2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method 3) Find some good material about human epistemology 4) Find some good works on critical thinking 5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation (note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just perform memorization) There is more, but this should hold you for a year or so. Note, too, that very little of this material is found in the conventional literature of education. If you need some sources, leave you email address. |
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While not enumerated in the Constitution, travel is a civil right
according to the Supreme Court. The applicable decision involved a black Army officer who was murdered while traveling through a Southern state and established freedom to travel as a constitutionally protected right. Dave Reinhart Doug wrote: Although it's not specifically stated as a right in the US Constitution, the right to travel freely in your own country (without "papers"), is generally believed to be a fundamental right. The right to travel freely is also a benchmark for a measure of freedom in all countries. Both Nazi Germany and the Communist system required "papers" to travel from one city to the next. I dread the day when I land at the airport, and a uniformed officer comes up to me and says, "papers please". It will be a major loss of a fundamental right. |
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Judah wrote in message . ..
Could you please provide factual evidence that the system you have outlined will make my children more successful and/or happy in life than had they been educated otherwise? Thanks. "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in : "Judah" wrote in message ... My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my daughter will start Kindergarden next fall. Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge presented to them. 1) Avoid public schools 2) Dig out all you can about the Montessori method 3) Find some good material about human epistemology 4) Find some good works on critical thinking 5) Find some good works about abstract thinking and concept formation (note: this teaches children to make associations, rather then just perform memorization) There is more, but this should hold you for a year or so. Note, too, that very little of this material is found in the conventional literature of education. If you need some sources, leave you email address. Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on - but when you are deperate or ..... |
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"Jeb" wrote in message om... If you need some sources, leave your email address. Montessori method- God I can't believe some people still hang with that method. Ok for the 80s but the world has moved on - Let's see: The Prussian school model of Thomas Mann; 1840 -still in place The Social Subjectivist education model of John Dewey; 1920 - still in place The Look-Say rading methods; 1940's - still in place Three disasters still going strong....but more money, more parental involvement.... Montessori - developed in the 1920's; banned in Italy (Where it originated), Germany and the Soviet Union (amongst others). Teaches the association between concrete (tangible) items and the relationships to similar items. but when you are deperate or ..... So the human mind has evolved in the past 20 years? Jeb, if you are more than 25 years old, I suggest you are obsolete and should be converted into Soylent Green. Sounds like the desperate (and half literate) or here is yourself. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:28:42 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote: The Look-Say rading methods; 1940's - still in place It's spelled "reading" and most schools are teaching reading using phonics now. Some educational methods work well and don't need changing. Phonics is one of those things. Schools kind of got away from it back in the late '60's and '70's, developing something called "whole language", which was presented as a better method without any testing actually being done to see if it really was more effective or not. It wasn't, and most educators now acknowledge that phonics, which is not new, is by far the more effective method. So just because the method may seem old doesn't mean it doesn't work. Also, children tend to learn almost despite the method with which they are taught. Smart kids learn. Children with attitudes, which they inevitably pick up from their parents, often have trouble in schools. Corky Scott |
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They appeal to the audience that their advertisers want them to appeal to.
Couldn't we get Corporate America to start pressuring these broadcasters to raise the level of discourse? The media machine depends on the advertisers' dollars, and therefore works for them. "Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message link.net... Yes, you have a point. Way too many swallow just about everything they see hook, line, & sinker. But the media is the country is certainly guilty of fostering ignorance, playing always to the lowest common denominator, etc. They're masters at bringing out the worst in the masses. Tom Sixkiller wrote: "Paul Folbrecht" wrote in message ink.net... Yes, they do. The media, however, doesn't. If the plane was shot down there'd probly have been alot of damage and at least one fatality from the impact. Doesn't the general public have any critical thinking skills whatsoever? The same general public that, all glassy eyed, watches the media? |
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Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more about the fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a right to do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are capable of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough of those people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not. The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment and expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to separate the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents. "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message ... "Judah" wrote in message ... "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in : "Jordan" wrote in message ... If we have to have celebrity endorsement, then our nation is too brain dead to endure and is finished. That's what happens when teachers make minimum wage, and celebrities make $100,000 an episode... Teachers hardly make minimun wage. Even if we paid them $100K, they don't know _how_ to teach (besides being beholden to the unions). Further, even those who LOVE to teach, still miss HOW the human mind learns and grasps information in the form of concepts. That's why most all of "education" is now BY ROTE. |
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Set high but attainable standards, and consistently do what it takes to get
your kids to reach them. If you have developed "parental deafness" fix it NOW! NOTHING is worse for your childs future than being allowed to "daddy, daddy, daddy" you while you ignore them. Acknowlege them, ask them what they want, and start actively teaching them when to listen and when to speak. When appropriate, tell them to wait, and escalate the punishment until they learn this lesson. "Judah" wrote in message ... My kids are just starting in school. My son is in 3rd grade and my daughter will start Kindergarden next fall. Please advise on how I can ensure that my children grasp the knowledge presented to them. Thanks. "Tom Sixkiller" wrote in : "Michael Houghton" wrote in message ... snip Well, if in sending my kids to public schools all these years (they're all in or past college now) I'd seen even ONE that comprehended HOW the young minds grasps knowledge I'd say "most". That's not been me experience. I won't deny that there are a significant number of teachers whose ability to teach is questionable, but many teachers actually give a damn about their students, doing their best to *teach*. Oh, and "rote learning" is not so nearly ubiquitous as you would claim. "Giving a damn" is completely worthless if they don't know _HOW_ it works. Your tirade is so full of manure that it is laughable -- or would be if you weren't expressing a range of opinions that are painfully common. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. yours, Michael Best, Tom |
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"Dude" wrote in message ... Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more about the fact that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a right to do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are capable of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough of those people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not. The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment and expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to separate the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents. Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda. If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket, instead of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools. |
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