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Old June 3rd 06, 05:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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That's very progressive of you, Steven. But it doesn't quite jibe with
your earlier post today, in which you listed the Civil War as the first
point at which the US "ceased to be a free country"--which would only be
possible if it had been a free country *until* then.


I didn't say the Civil War was the first point at which the US "ceased to
be a free country".





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Old June 3rd 06, 05:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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That's very progressive of you, Steven. But it doesn't quite jibe with
your earlier post today, in which you listed the Civil War as the first
point at which the US "ceased to be a free country"--which would only be
possible if it had been a free country *until* then.


I didn't say the Civil War was the first point at which the US "ceased to
be a free country".

It was the first point you listed when you were asked to explain your remark
that the US had "ceased to be a free country".

When did the US cease to be a free country, in your opinion?

--Gary


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Old June 3rd 06, 07:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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National Security Act of 1947.

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Old June 3rd 06, 07:26 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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How about 9/12, when we couldn't fly and all had to start
wearing name badges with pictures? TFR that aren't
temporary?

Income tax even though the 16th Amendment was not properly
ratified?

Eminent domain as approved by the SCOUS to take your
business or home because it is worth more tax money to the
government if somebody else owns it for a while?

Campaign finance reform that doesn't allow free speech 60
days before an election?

Zero tolerance at school so your kid is suspended because he
has a 1" solid plastic gun with the GI Joe doll?


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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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| "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in message
| k.net...
|
| "Gary Drescher" wrote in
message
| news |
| That's very progressive of you, Steven. But it doesn't
quite jibe with
| your earlier post today, in which you listed the Civil
War as the first
| point at which the US "ceased to be a free
country"--which would only be
| possible if it had been a free country *until* then.
|
| I didn't say the Civil War was the first point at which
the US "ceased to
| be a free country".
|
| It was the first point you listed when you were asked to
explain your remark
| that the US had "ceased to be a free country".
|
| When did the US cease to be a free country, in your
opinion?
|
| --Gary
|
|


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Old June 4th 06, 12:50 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
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Civil war???


Yup. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents a state from
leaving a union that it freely joined. The southern states were forced to
rejoin the union.


Aside from the language prohibiting individual states from enterring
into a confederation.

Seceding first, and enterring into a confederation later is an
intellectually dishonest shell game, not an action that is
permissible under the Constitution.

And the states that seceded absolutely were not seceding to
preserve freedom. They seceded because the states that had
already abolished slavery within their borders, or had never
permitted it in the first place, had become united in their
dedication to prohibit the expansion of slavery into the
Western Territories. That made emancipation inevitable.
The slave states saw the hand writing on the wall,
turned tail and ran.

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Old June 4th 06, 01:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Jim Macklin wrote:
How about 9/12, when we couldn't fly and all had to start
wearing name badges with pictures? TFR that aren't
temporary?

Income tax even though the 16th Amendment was not properly
ratified?


You mean like the way the Bill of Rights was not properly
ratified?


Eminent domain as approved by the SCOUS to take your
business or home because it is worth more tax money to the
government if somebody else owns it for a while?


Eminent domain has been (ab)used for that purpose
since before the Constitution was adopted. I've been
opposed to the practice since first becoming aware of
in the early 1970s. But I am not so dishonest as to
argue that it is unConstitutional, or something new.
Indeed, I am astonished that a case disputed centuries
old settled law got to the USSC

It is pretty hard to see how an arugment can be made that
a prohibiton of confiscation of property WITHOUT just compensation
does not implicitly permit confiscation WITH just compensation.


Campaign finance reform that doesn't allow free speech 60
days before an election?


THAT is unconstitutional no matter what the Damn Republican-
dominated Federal Courts say.

"The Congress shall make no law" doesn' tleave much
weasel room.

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FF

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Old June 4th 06, 01:17 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Traditional slavery would have ended when Briggs & Stratton
built their small engines. But, the sex slave trade goes on.
Slavery is rampant in other parts of the world today,
primarily Africa, Asia and the Middle East. The UN and the
Muslim religion support slavery.

Importation of slaves was illegal in the USA after 1807, but
ownership was still legal. The South's economy was based on
hand labor agriculture, cotton. A lot of white people
fought and died to free the slaves. A lot of Southerners
fought and died to preserve their life-style. Both were
honorable. But slavery was still wrong and it ceased to be
the same after 1865. But there was still economic "slavery"
for many people working for low wages in company towns,
buying food and clothes at the company store on credit.

Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better. We
should remember the past, so we don't continue to make the
same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and personal
feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000 years
ago.


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The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


wrote in message
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|
| Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
| "Matt Whiting" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Civil war???
|
|
| Yup. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents
a state from
| leaving a union that it freely joined. The southern
states were forced to
| rejoin the union.
|
| Aside from the language prohibiting individual states from
enterring
| into a confederation.
|
| Seceding first, and enterring into a confederation later
is an
| intellectually dishonest shell game, not an action that is
| permissible under the Constitution.
|
| And the states that seceded absolutely were not seceding
to
| preserve freedom. They seceded because the states that
had
| already abolished slavery within their borders, or had
never
| permitted it in the first place, had become united in
their
| dedication to prohibit the expansion of slavery into the
| Western Territories. That made emancipation inevitable.
| The slave states saw the hand writing on the wall,
| turned tail and ran.
|
| --
|
| FF
|


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Old June 4th 06, 01:48 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in
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Snipola
Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better. We
should remember the past, so we don't continue to make the
same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and personal
feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000 years
ago.


I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of
the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from the
descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally enslaved?
Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember the
past, yes, but get over it.

Brian
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Old June 4th 06, 01:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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I can't think of his name right now, but there is a black
reporter for the Wall Street Journal who wrote a book about
how glad his ancestors were slaves in America, so he doesn't
have to live in Africa.



"Skywise" wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in
| news:UEpgg.26071$ZW3.17560@dukeread04:
|
| Snipola
| Laws change, society changes, hopefully for the better.
We
| should remember the past, so we don't continue to make
the
| same mistakes, but we must get over the anger and
personal
| feelings about what happened 50, 100, 150, 500, 2000
years
| ago.
|
| I'll second that. I'm sick and tired of the descendents of
| the slaves demanding recompense (in whatever form) from
the
| descendents of the slave owners. Were you personally
enslaved?
| Were you personally a slave owner? I thought not. Remember
the
| past, yes, but get over it.
|
| Brian
| --
| http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy,
Skepticism
| Seismic FAQ:
http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
| Quake "predictions":
http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
| Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?


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"Doug" wrote in message
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National Security Act of 1947.

You're at least 15 years too late.

More like 50-60 years


 




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