Why airplanes fly

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:36:44 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote in MkHqj.19887$yE1.4959@attbi_s21:

but when a
small-but-determined group of trolls with (seemingly endless) time on their
hands takes a hankering to a group, it's obvious that they can destroy it
pretty easily.

That appears to be their stated agenda:

http://www.gwu.edu/~trivia/meow.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meow_Wars

On Feb 7, 8:51*am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Cecil E. Chapman wrote:
They fly because of money.... :/ *Money generates both lift and thrust.....

THIS is the real reason.

And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly
proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the
military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least
they're not PAYING.

I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for
the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the
maintenance. Even for a couple of flights!

Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others.

I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to
fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly
misinformed.

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Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -

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Yeager as in highly skilled and experienced. Which you are.

I was trying to pay you a COMPLIMENT. I failed, I guess!

Simply put, this is a place for people to talk about flying, and aspects of
aviation. *The current crop of loons are not interested in serious
discussion of such. *Neither are the people that egg them on. *There should
be no place for that, here.

Like it or not there are loons and trolls on the Internet.

The Internet has no law enforcement, not much content enforcement --
and I LIKE it that way. If there's a brawl, so be it. It's not like
you can't ignore that. There are plenty of tools to help you filter
out anything you don't want to see.

If you know so much about aviation and flying already that you can't
learn anything here, there're a few very simple solutions.

I come here because there ARE people who I think have a high level of
experience with piloting and I like asking them questions. I listen to
what they say and I learn from it. I don't have many opinions, usually
just questions.

But I'm sticking to this opinion: I get an occasional laugh out of
Mx's postulating and theorizing.

wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:51 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 3, 3:50 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Cecil E. Chapman wrote:
They fly because of money.... :/ Money generates both lift and thrust.....

THIS is the real reason.
And let it be known as well that lift and thrust are directly
proportional to the AMOUNT of money spent :-)
--
Dudley Henriques
I guess that's why you Yeager types figure out ways to get into the
military planes. The military guys may not get paid much, but at least
they're not PAYING.
I'd wager the average fighter pilot monthly salary would not pay for
the gas the pilot uses on a single flight -- let alone the
maintenance. Even for a couple of flights!
Well, sheet. Some people are just smarter than others.
I'm not a Yeager type, and if you think that money was all I needed to
fly military airplanes the way I have in my career you are sadly
misinformed.

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Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeager as in highly skilled and experienced. Which you are.

I was trying to pay you a COMPLIMENT. I failed, I guess!

Your post didn't read like any compliment to me mister. It was snide,
overly familiar, and totally incorrect to boot. You don't know me well
enough to compare me with anyone, let alone someone I detest.
In the future, if you post to me with anything as ambigious as this post
was, use a f*****g smilie.
--
Dudley Henriques

I never liked the fact that he sailed through life taking the accolades
that belonged to George Welsh. There was no excuse for that. Yeager
could have set things right anytime he chose to do so.
To my knowledge, he hasn't done it yet!
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Dudley Henriques-

Hmm. I'm reading Yeager's autobiography right now. I don't think I've
seen mention of the name George Welsh in it at all. And I'm about 2/3
finished.

IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after
Scott Crossfield's accident. *So many options, so many good opportunities to
say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. *Pity.

Hilton

What did he say?

Morgans wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote

Yeager has had years to set the record straight and give Welsh the credit
that was denied him, but he hasn't done that. This not only denies Welsh
his credit due, but will eventually, as history sorts it all out, blot the
life of Yeager as well.
Both ways, it diminishes the accomplishments of two great aviation
pioneers.
There's a bit more to the story, but this is the skinny from my
perspective anyway.
I never liked how he treated other people, in general.

One case comes to mind, when he was asked to comment about the first around
the world un re-fueled flight, in voyager.

He dismissed it, very off handedly, saying, " that was no big deal. They
were not doing anything new, it was just an airplane that carried a lot of
fuel," or something to that effect. I don't remember the exact quote, but
it was along those lines.

I vowed that day, that I would never walk to the other side of a path to
meet him, hear him speak, or get an autograph.

I learned a long time ago that "hero's" in many cases are not what
people envision them to be through their public persona. The image is
what gets embedded in people's minds; seldom the real person. These
hero's can be better or worse than this public image.
I've known many hero's in my life. Most have been quiet and unassuming
to a large degree.
I knew one MOH winner quite well. We were shooting baskets in his
driveway once and the ball went into his garage through the open door. I
went in to get it. I accidentally knocked over a cigar box that was
stashed under a work table and it opened its contents on the floor. His
MOH was in there. I picked it up and handed it to him. He just looked at
it for a second and put it carefully back into the box.
I guess he saw the quizzical look on my face and he remarked as we went
outside to resume our one on one;
"I'm storing that for the guys it belongs too. They're still out there"


--
Dudley Henriques

Hilton wrote:
Dudley wrote:

This not only denies Welsh his credit due, but will eventually, as history
sorts it all out, blot the life of Yeager as well.


IMHO, Yaeger's life is already blotted after what he said immediately after
Scott Crossfield's accident. So many options, so many good opportunities to
say good things about a great man, but he chose the tasteless route. Pity.

Hilton


I like how Avweb reported that, they quoted Yaeger and then said
something to the effect of "funny, we don't remember Scott saying
anything after Yaeger ran off that runway last year." I'm also very
happy that the NTSB gave ATC 50% of the responsibility for Scott's accident.

Margy

I was trying to pay you a COMPLIMENT. I failed, I guess!

Your post didn't read like any compliment to me mister. It was snide,
overly familiar, and totally incorrect to boot. You don't know me well
enough to compare me with anyone, let alone someone I detest.
In the future, if you post to me with anything as ambigious as this post
was, use a f*****g smilie.
--
Dudley Henriques-

I can't really apolgize for a post I absolutely did not intend to be
either snide or familiar in any way. You're widely viewed as a highly
skilled, knowledgable pilot, and so I also can't say I'm sorry for
comparing your skills to another great pilot, Yeager, who I now
understand that you detest.

My posts are probably all kinds of wrong -- but it ain't wrong to say
military pilots don't have to put out the big bucks to ride in the
finest planes there are, which was the gist of my post in a part of
this thread where numerous posts were joking around about money making
planes fly.

That's all there really was to it.

wrote:
I was trying to pay you a COMPLIMENT. I failed, I guess!
Your post didn't read like any compliment to me mister. It was snide,
overly familiar, and totally incorrect to boot. You don't know me well
enough to compare me with anyone, let alone someone I detest.
In the future, if you post to me with anything as ambigious as this post
was, use a f*****g smilie.
--
Dudley Henriques-

I can't really apolgize for a post I absolutely did not intend to be
either snide or familiar in any way. You're widely viewed as a highly
skilled, knowledgable pilot, and so I also can't say I'm sorry for
comparing your skills to another great pilot, Yeager, who I now
understand that you detest.

My posts are probably all kinds of wrong -- but it ain't wrong to say
military pilots don't have to put out the big bucks to ride in the
finest planes there are, which was the gist of my post in a part of
this thread where numerous posts were joking around about money making
planes fly.

That's all there really was to it.







No sweat. Forget it. No harm done. Just be advised I have a Pavlov
reaction to smilies. When inserted, there is no mistaking the good
intent of a post. I use them all the time :-)


--
Dudley Henriques