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Flying camels
On Apr 25, 10:45 pm, WingFlaps wrote:
On Apr 26, 1:21 am, "kangarooistan /peramangk" wrote: On Apr 25, 8:14 pm, WingFlaps wrote: On Apr 25, 8:26 pm, "kangarooistan /peramangk" wrote: Hi , I was wondering about the costs of flying camels into the Middle East from Australia . Ask FedEx for a quote. You don't need 2nd day air as camels can last a long time without food or water. Cheers Camels could go a day without food and water , but after that you would run into problems with animal rights / welfare I though you were planning on killing them? How do they feel about that? Cheers Most of the camels will be used as food , but many will be used as breeders or transport or milk , but all will be eaten in the end My main aim is to be able to land hundreds of camels into disaster zones on 24 hours notice , where demand is greatest , donors are prepared to fund emergency delivery BUT we will need to maintain the operation funding using a regular live / fresh meat based trade , and be able to deliver where needed on short notice with festival demand or drought the demand moves a great deal , prices of live camels can double or more over night in many cases , ability to deliver almost anywhere on short notice is important kanga ===== |
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they poop everywhere no way!
kangarooistan /peramangk brought next idea : I was wondering if it may be possible to set up a weekly flight with several hundred live camels , av 500 kg each, standing 3 meters tall , , from outback Australia , into Egypt , Pakistan . or such countries |
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On Apr 26, 12:07 pm, clint wrote:
they poop everywhere no way! kangarooistan /peramangk brought next idea : I was wondering if it may be possible to set up a weekly flight with several hundred live camels , av 500 kg each, standing 3 meters tall , , from outback Australia , into Egypt , Pakistan . or such countries OK , lets try a bit more specific question If you wanted to fly regular loads of live camels to the middle east Which type of air plane would you look at and where wold you start looking and how much would you expect to pay for a good quality LARGE work horse type plane with no frills , but reliable , Q 2 What is the range of weight a big plane can carry over a long distance of several thousand km , possibly need to be able to make Egypt with only one stop , but perhaps 2 or 3 stops if need be Yes I know it will be a lot of money , but thats what i seek to find out , to see at what stage it may be possible , or not Assume 100 camels weigh 50 tons , and several thousand km flying range minimum possibly double would be better if possible do you know where I might look online to buy or check prices of such a plane ?? I assume it would need to pass tests to meet Australian aviation rules and any licences , but Im a long way from that at this stage , still checking the viability of the concept many thanks kanga ===== |
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:26:37 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote: There are lots of freighter companies set up to fly racehorses and other livestock around. They're typically old DC8s but there are a few 747s set up for it. I've watched Saratoga Springs racehorses being offloaded from a Kitty Hawk 727 at Albany. Perhaps the OP could contact Kitty Hawk for details. When flying Camels, don't let the toes become a distraction. |
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On Apr 26, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"kangarooistan /peramangk" wrote in news:8840b0b2- : On Apr 26, 12:07 pm, clint wrote: they poop everywhere no way! kangarooistan /peramangk brought next idea : I was wondering if it may be possible to set up a weekly flight with several hundred live camels , av 500 kg each, standing 3 meters tall , , from outback Australia , into Egypt , Pakistan . or such countries OK , lets try a bit more specific question If you wanted to fly regular loads of live camels to the middle east Which type of air plane would you look at and where wold you start looking and how much would you expect to pay for a good quality LARGE work horse type plane with no frills , but reliable , There are lots of freighter companies set up to fly racehorses and other livestock around. They're typically old DC8s but there are a few 747s set up for it. The middle east is a fertile ground for this activity as the arabs are into racehorses big time so it should be pretty easy to find a carier who would be able to accomodate you. Best place to ask is a thoroughbred horse breeder. Bert Hi Bert Thanks for the start , I googled dc8 horse transport and found pretty much what I was after Im not into planes and was a bit lost where to start I think I can google it form here MANY thanks mate kanga ===== lots of quality info , I will do a bit of further reading ----------------------------------------------------------- The international horse breeding industry began to be enhanced by access to air transport services when regular horse carrying flights between Ireland, England and France were initiated in the early 1950’s. Bristol Freighter aircraft were used for this service. Their front loading facility made it easier to load than other contemporary aircraft, but they were felt to be noisy and slow by the personnel that travelled with the horses. The volume of traffic was sufficient to justify staff dedicated to providing horse care from departure to destination, familiar with the environments and requirements at airports and at altitude. They became known as “Flying Grooms”. Their numbers have grown from a handful, to the stage at which there are international efforts to recognise their chosen profession by accreditation and certification. The “jet age” arrived with the first carriage of horses in a Boeing 707 in the early 1960’S. Stalls were built around the horses after they had walked up a ramp into the aircraft. These were so called “open stall systems”, which although they surrounded the horses, they did not fully enclose them. In 1968, the first widely noted tragedy occurred, when an Elizabethan aircraft with three crew, five grooms and eight horses on board, crashed on landing at London’s Heathrow airport. All of the crew, all of the horses and three of the grooms, died. The accident was attributed to metal fatigue. Fast and efficient, regular air services from Europe to the USA, Japan and Australia became commonplace in the 1970’s, using the then “state- of-the-art” Boeing 707 and DC8 aircraft. Palletised freight systems in which three-horse stalls with a groom’s compartment, were loaded with horses on the ground and then lifted onto the aircraft led to faster loading and unloading. Thirty horses could now be loaded onto an aircraft in an hour. Later, 112 horses could be carried in a Boeing 747 when these and other, so called “wide bodied” jets became available for horse charter flights in the 1980’s. Improved access to scheduled services also took place and three horses and a groom could from then onwards, travel almost anywhere in the world in fully or partially enclosed “air stables’ or “jet stalls”. A modified “insect-proof” stall was used to transport Vintage Crop from Ireland to Australia , prior to his victory in the Melbourne Cup. |
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"kangarooistan /peramangk" wrote in
: On Apr 26, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "kangarooistan /peramangk" wrote in news:8840b0b2- : On Apr 26, 12:07 pm, clint wrote: they poop everywhere no way! kangarooistan /peramangk brought next idea : I was wondering if it may be possible to set up a weekly flight with several hundred live camels , av 500 kg each, standing 3 meters tall , , from outback Australia , into Egypt , Pakistan . or such countries OK , lets try a bit more specific question If you wanted to fly regular loads of live camels to the middle east Which type of air plane would you look at and where wold you start looking and how much would you expect to pay for a good quality LARGE work horse type plane with no frills , but reliable , There are lots of freighter companies set up to fly racehorses and other livestock around. They're typically old DC8s but there are a few 747s set up for it. The middle east is a fertile ground for this activity as the arabs are into racehorses big time so it should be pretty easy to find a carier who would be able to accomodate you. Best place to ask is a thoroughbred horse breeder. Bert Hi Bert Thanks for the start , I googled dc8 horse transport and found pretty much what I was after Im not into planes and was a bit lost where to start I think I can google it form here MANY thanks mate No worries! Bertie |
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