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Old December 5th 07, 09:46 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Andrzej
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You can see pictures of Hana's glider Diana 2 and her "modifications":

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2817

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2818

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2819

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2820

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2821

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2822

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2823

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2824

....and whole article from polish service in Bielsko-Biala:

http://www.gorpol.pl/?site=80&artykul=288

No comments needed.

Andy

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Old December 5th 07, 10:24 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Jose Jimenez
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Default Shock! Hana's Diana 2 in service

Could somebody provide a rough translation? My Polish is less than
perfect, and without the comments, I can't interpret the pictures. (And
Babeljoke can't Polish, either.)
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Old December 5th 07, 11:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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-----Wiadomo¶æ oryginalna-----
Od: Andrzej ]
Og³oszono: ¶roda 5 grudnia 2007 10:46
Og³oszone w: rec.aviation.soaring
Konwersacja: Shock! Hana's Diana 2 in service
Temat: Shock! Hana's Diana 2 in service

You can see pictures of Hana's glider Diana 2 and her "modifications":


Diana 2 Hany Zejdovej przyp³ynê³a z Australii - SZOK !!! 4.12.2007 r

Hana's Zejdova Diana 2 just was delivered from Australia - shock!

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2817



Super orchidea o znakach VH-VHZ w firmie Bogumi³a Beresia w
Bielsku-Bia³ej.

Super orchidee at signs VH-VHZ in gliders service BB in Bielsko-Biala


http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2818


Na zewn±trz po³o¿one oryginalne sworznie mocuj±ce p³ytê hamulcow± do
ramienia, wewn±trz ¶ruby które zamontowa³ w australijski mechanik !!!!
Wodoczna tulejka "nie zmie¶ci³a" siê równie¿ mechanikowi na sworzniu
napêdu hamulca, wiêc jej nie by³o - efekt pasowanie godne wozu
drabiniastego.

There are original pivots fastened plate of air brakes to the arm. You
can see screw inside the arm wchich was mounted by australian
mechanician. There isn't muff on the pivot of air brake drive -
mechanician just removed it.


http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2819


Oryginalny sworzeñ w ramieniu hamulca aerodynamicznego zast±piono

¶rub±
z marketu, otwór siê "trochê rozlajerowa³", wiêc wci¶niêto tulejkê...

Original pivot of air brake's arm was replaced by screw from
supermarket. Hana's mechanisian just pressed muff inside because of gaps
was a liitle bit distroyed.

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2820
Stan koñcówki ramienia hamulca aerodynamicznego po technicznej
ingerencji mechanika w Australii....

End of air brake arm after technical intervention.

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2821\



Another picuture of Hana's and her mechanician work.

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2822


Os³ona napêdu klapolotki by³a wy³amywana, byæ mo¿e
z my¶l± obejrzenia rozwi±zania.

Broken aileron cover.

http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2823


Ta¶ma mylarowa zosta³a zast±piona inn±, szersz±,
nie usuniêty klej zniekszta³ci³ zdecydowanie profil...

Mylar tape was removed and replaced by other, wider tape. Glue was not
removed so it deformed aerofoil.


http://www.gorpol.pl/powiekszenie.php?id=2824


Insecurited hinge of rudder.


...and whole article from polish service in Bielsko-Biala:

http://www.gorpol.pl/?site=80&artykul=288

No comments needed.

Andy


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Old December 5th 07, 11:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Ian
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On 5 Dec, 11:08, "Andrzej" wrote:

Original pivot of air brake's arm was replaced by screw from
supermarket. Hana's mechanisian just pressed muff inside because of gaps
was a liitle bit distroyed.


Thanks for the translations. Just one little thing - I think that's a
"bush" you're referring too. "Muff" can mean "bush", but in a rather,
erm, anatomical sense.

Ian

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Old December 5th 07, 11:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Andrzej
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Thanks for the translations. Just one little thing - I think that's a
"bush" you're referring too. "Muff" can mean "bush", but in a rather,
erm, anatomical sense.

I'm sorry but my english is worse than your polish )

Andy

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Old December 5th 07, 12:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Maciek
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Perhaps one comment is needed: this is all about the Diana 2 #3 about which
there were many many posts sent by Blue Cumulus to this group, telling about
its unprecise manufacture,horrible flight characteristics, self-deployment
of the flaps and non-symetric deployment of the airbrakes. Off course the
manufacturer was the one to blame for that. Now we all can find what was
really wrong with the glider.

Maciek K.

BTW: The manufacturer obliged himself to fix the glider for free (the owner
only shipped the plane pack to Europe) just to protect his reputation after
all theese lies told about his gliders.


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Old December 5th 07, 01:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan G
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On Dec 5, 12:16 pm, "Maciek" wrote:
Perhaps one comment is needed: this is all about the Diana 2 #3 about which
there were many many posts sent by Blue Cumulus to this group, telling about
its unprecise manufacture,horrible flight characteristics, self-deployment
of the flaps and non-symetric deployment of the airbrakes.


Who is this Hana person, and why did she and her "mechanic" (perhaps a
better term would be "moron") feel the need to start fiddling around
with the glider?


Dan

PS I believe there's a Diana 2 entered into the upcoming Sailplane
Grand Prix - could be interesting...
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Old December 5th 07, 02:24 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Udo
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Default Shock! Hana's Diana 2 in service

On Dec 5, 6:42 am, "Andrzej" wrote:
Thanks for the translations. Just one little thing - I think that's a
"bush" you're referring too. "Muff" can mean "bush", but in a rather,
erm, anatomical sense.


I'm sorry but my english is worse than your polish )

Andy


I would like to see the original parts before the so called
modification.
other the the bolts in your first picture.
Udo
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Old December 5th 07, 02:25 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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All this only shows again that a client of this Polish glider
manufacturer has no other possibility than being forced to "do it
himself" because he does not get the necessary service, not the
required instructions, nor papers when he needs this all urgently for
flying. He did not even get the right documentation for the glider
itself (and not for the trailer?). This was to read here somewhere in
the forum. As far as I remember the Australians did these
"modifications" after the problems occured and after they did not
receive help from the manufacturer, right? What else can a client (who
is not a mechanic or specialist) do, far away from the manufactuer,
then trying to help himself. By the way - what do these photos here
show? Nothing particular, only that finally the manufacturer is doing
something - that's all. Just the wrong exchange of a rediculous screw
is not a big problem. I have the impression that the fiercy reaction
of the Polish manufacturer only is an quite shamful attempt to save
his face.
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Old December 5th 07, 04:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
John Galloway[_1_]
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Default Shock! Hana's Diana 2 in service

At 14:32 05 December 2007, wrote:
All this only shows again that a client of this Polish
glider
manufacturer has no other possibility than being forced
to 'do it
himself' because he does not get the necessary service,
not the
required instructions, nor papers when he needs this
all urgently for
flying. He did not even get the right documentation
for the glider
itself (and not for the trailer?). This was to read
here somewhere in
the forum. As far as I remember the Australians did
these
'modifications' after the problems occured and after
they did not
receive help from the manufacturer, right? What else
can a client (who
is not a mechanic or specialist) do, far away from
the manufactuer,
then trying to help himself. By the way - what do
these photos here
show? Nothing particular, only that finally the manufacturer
is doing
something - that's all. Just the wrong exchange of
a rediculous screw
is not a big problem. I have the impression that the
fiercy reaction
of the Polish manufacturer only is an quite shamful
attempt to save
his face.


I have no opinion on the engineering but strong public
allegations were made against the manufacturer on this
forum and that gives him right of reply.

John Galloway


 




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