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typical total time and PIC time question
SInce I took my training longer ago than most of you are alive, I'm confused
about current practices. I came across a NTSB report that described a pilot with about 320 hours TT, of which about 75 were as PIC. The pilot was about half way though his flight training for his IRF rating, had a PPL and Class II physical. He was signed off on complex SEL aircraft. My own logbook when I had 320 hours tt showed about 80 hours dual, 260 PIC, but that was back in the late 60s, and by then I had an IFR rating. What about you? When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was dual, how much PIC? What's typical today? |
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"AJW" wrote in message
... When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was dual, how much PIC? What's typical today? At 300 hours (PP-ASEL-IA at the time), I had 95 hours dual, 244 hours PIC (I'd just begun my commercial training). I suspect that's a typical distribution, at least among pilots who pursue further ratings and certificates. --Gary |
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"AJW" wrote in message
I came across a NTSB report that described a pilot with about 320 hours TT, of which about 75 were as PIC. The pilot was about half way though his flight training for his IRF rating, had a PPL and Class II physical. He was signed off on complex SEL aircraft. My own logbook when I had 320 hours tt showed about 80 hours dual, 260 PIC, but that was back in the late 60s, and by then I had an IFR rating. What about you? When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was dual, how much PIC? What's typical today? My logbook (about 320 hours) is much more similar to yours than the crash pilot's. It sounds like he was either a really slow learner with more money and patience than skill or he just really liked having an instructor on board. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415 ____________________ |
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:45:45 -0400, "John T" wrote in
:: It sounds like he was either a really slow learner with more money and patience than skill or he just really liked having an instructor on board. Other factors could be: 1, The length of time it took the pilot to acquire his airman certificate. 2. The length of time it took the pilot to acquire his 320 total hours, and thus his currency level at any given time. 3. The pilots degree of self confidence and lack thereof. .... |
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I'll bet averages today, for the first few hundred hours, are in between somewhere. There IS more to learn and the standards have changed, even though some of the things you probably had to demonstrate for your PPL are no longer included in the PTS. Certainly very few pilots today have an IR rating with only 80 hours dual. G Faris In article , says... SInce I took my training longer ago than most of you are alive, I'm confused about current practices. I came across a NTSB report that described a pilot with about 320 hours TT, of which about 75 were as PIC. The pilot was about half way though his flight training for his IRF rating, had a PPL and Class II physical. He was signed off on complex SEL aircraft. My own logbook when I had 320 hours tt showed about 80 hours dual, 260 PIC, but that was back in the late 60s, and by then I had an IFR rating. What about you? When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was dual, how much PIC? What's typical today? I'll bet averages today, for the first few hundred hours, are in between somewhere. There IS more to learn and the standards have changed, even though some of the things you probably had to demonstrate for your PPL are no longer included in the PTS. Certainly very few pilots today have an IR rating with only 80 hours dual. G Faris In article , says... SInce I took my training longer ago than most of you are alive, I'm confused about current practices. I came across a NTSB report that described a pilot with about 320 hours TT, of which about 75 were as PIC. The pilot was about half way though his flight training for his IRF rating, had a PPL and Class II physical. He was signed off on complex SEL aircraft. My own logbook when I had 320 hours tt showed about 80 hours dual, 260 PIC, but that was back in the late 60s, and by then I had an IFR rating. What about you? When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was dual, how much PIC? What's typical today? |
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Interesting, your proportions are just about exactly reversed. This guy had about 25% of his time as PIC, while at the same stage you had only 25% as dual, AND you had the higher rating. I'll bet averages today, for the first few hundred hours, are in between somewhere. There IS more to learn and the standards have changed, even though some of the things you probably had to demonstrate for your PPL are no longer included in the PTS. Certainly very few pilots today have an IR rating with only 80 hours dual. G Faris I don't think I was atypical for the time. Since I was flying in Massachusetts, IFR was I thought required, and I took off for my IFR flight test with 199.5 hours tt logged! I have friends who flew in the Navy who claimed they were landing jets on carriers with 200 hours tt. thanks all for your responses. I did a little more investigation and learned the pilot in question had logged a bunch of duel before taking his pp flight test, then gave up flying for a while. I guess when he started again he started right at the beginning. It explains some of the heavy dual -- some other factors explain even more. AJW |
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(AJW) wrote
I don't think I was atypical for the time. Since I was flying in Massachusetts, IFR was I thought required, and I took off for my IFR flight test with 199.5 hours tt logged! I have friends who flew in the Navy who claimed they were landing jets on carriers with 200 hours tt. I did my first carrier landing (T-28) at 115 total flight time. Bob Moore |
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I think the question came up with the JFK Jr accident as well - Though I don't
remember the numbers, he must have been at about that level, and some felt his dual-to-PIC ratio was high, possibly indicating a lack of confidence. G Faris |
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e and PIC time question
From: (G Farris) Date: 10/14/2004 6:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: I think the question came up with the JFK Jr accident as well - Though I don't remember the numbers, he must have been at about that level, and some felt his dual-to-PIC ratio was high, possibly indicating a lack of confidence. G Faris You're perceptive: I'm using that NTSB report as the basis of a small play. It happens in the JFK Jr case (I've learned since posting the question) that he had started training toward his PPL once then abandoned the effort because his mother had begged him to (she had a premination of him crashing in an airplane he piloted (See C. Anderson's 'The Day John Died). He was piling on a lot of time the summer he died, but he had broken an ankle in an ultra light crash on the Vineyard a few months earlier, so nearly all of his flying since then (nearly all in the Saratoga) was with an instructor aboard. Those several events explain some of the seemingly excessive dual time. As a matter of interest, the only family member who would fly with him, and then only reluctantly, was his wife. Cousins and uncles outright refused. I appreciate the statistics and observations many of you had made, thank you. AJW |
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