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In the 2009 15M Nationals at Aston Down we were sent one day to
Northampton, Winslow, and Kettering and were confronted by a huge dead area near the turns that simply stopped everyone dead in their tracks. I managed to make the NOS and WSL turns but couldn't see a way into the KES turn until I took a cloud climb near Banbury and got enough height to fly across the gap to a squall line I could see running N over Milton Keynes. I arrived at cloud base just as the line started sparking and decided (having read the reports referred to earlier) that discretion was the best course, ran away and landed in a field. Was there a safe way to use the squall line that was sparking? Rollings, what is your advice? Jim |
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This has been a very interesting discussion. To look at another site's history, in 1970 the Albuquerque Soaring Club moved to Moriarty, NM. Since that time there has been one reported glider lightning strike and that happened to Ken Sorenson during the US Standard Class Nationals at Moriarty on July 11, 1996. Fortunately, although the canopy blew out and the ship's electronics were fried, Ken managed to safely land at Estancia, NM.
Regarding the use of parachutes at Moriarty, over the past 45 years, there has only been one recorded use of an emergency chute and that event occurred in 2012 due to an in-flight emergency. Despite being injured, the pilot survived and was able to walk out of the remote area. Over the past 45 years the Moriarty, New Mexico Municipal Airport has been a very active soaring site and today there are perhaps 40 gliders flown on a fairly frequent basis by both Albuquerque Soaring Club members and folks who fly with Sundance Aviation (the Moriarty based glider FBO). Lighting is very common during the monsoon season which usually begins in late-June/early July and usually ends in mid-September. So, what can we learn here? As others have stated, lighting strikes are rare and the need for using an emergency parachute is also pretty rare, but as someone quite wise once told me..... "It is better to have a parachute and not need it than to need a parachute and not have it...." Thx - Renny |
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Thanks Mike,
When I got my EE degree in 1972 they had not heard of such things, at least where I went to school! I agree that it would take a lot of amps to generate a magnetic field strong enough to cause the described damage to the aileron pushrod. All this talk of parachutes - I always wear my ram air rectangular parachute when I fly my glider and I even went to the local jump club to experience flying and landing one of the same size. It was so much fun that I made seven jumps but it was too expensive for my tastes (at least while renting the equipment and paying for the instructor's jumps). He left the aircraft after I had a good chute. On 3/18/2015 11:08 AM, Mike the Strike wrote: Dan: We know the lightning strike in the British accident was an extremely severe positive ground stroke for several reasons: 1) The EA technology lightning location system identified the likely stroke and estimated its peak current at 80 kA (it could have been higher) 2) The compression magnetic forces that deformed the push rod were extremely large and the effect could not be reproduced in the lab (and several tried!) 3) The quantity of metal melted indicates a very high charge transfer, likely in excess of 200 coulombs. 4) The damage incurred indicated a strike that exceeded the tests used for certification of aircraft and they are pretty conservative. This was an unusually severe event that is unlikely to be experienced again any time soon. Most aircraft lightning involves fairly low current and low energy air discharges or leaders and it's pretty rare for an aircraft to be involved as part of the circuit in a ground flash, let alone a severe positive one. If you stay half a mile horizontally away from any active storm cell and keep out of the precipitation shaft you are unlikely to be hit. Mike (who plays with lightning a little bit) On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 8:43:44 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote: Excellent report. What does 'feeling very draughty' mean? Is that a British idiom? Or does it simply mean he felt a draft? Would someone please explain to me how only the aileron control system, and not the adjacent air brake system, being damaged by the lightening strike indicates that it was a positive discharge? Why was only one system damaged? Why not both? Why one vs. the other? I'm only half way through the report but have to leave to fly the tug. I'll finish this evening. So far, I think the apparent magnetic deformation of the aileron control rod indicates a current level not attainable by a negative strike, hence the assumption of a positive strike. I'm still contemplating why only the aileron system was damaged. Perhaps because it extended further into the wing (closer to the tip) and so took the full current, bypassing the air brake. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... On 3/18/2015 2:51 AM, Justin Craig wrote: At 16:55 17 March 2015, Dan Marotta wrote: Yes, and I wear a chute when I fly my glider, but not when I'm giving rides in a Grob, Blanik, 2-33, or Lark. Neither do I wear a parachute when flying the tug and I've had four engine failures while flying tow planes, in none of which would I have considered bailing out. Does Poland really require parachutes in gliders? Are passengers with no training required to wear a parachute? *** I wonder about the outcome if one of them should attempt to jump**** You could ask this chap? I suspect he was rather grateful to be wearing a chute! http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...pdf_500699.pdf -- Dan Marotta -- Dan Marotta |
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This has been a very interesting discussion. To look at another site's history, in 1970 the Albuquerque Soaring Club moved to Moriarty, NM. Since that time there has been one reported glider lightning strike and that happened to Ken Sorenson during the US Standard Class Nationals at Moriarty on July 11, 1996. Fortunately, although the canopy blew out and the ship's electronics were fried, Ken managed to safely land at Estancia, NM.
Regarding the use of parachutes at Moriarty, over the past 45 years, there has only been one recorded use of an emergency chute and that event occurred in 2012 due to an in-flight emergency. Despite being injured, the pilot survived and was able to walk out of the remote area. Over the past 45 years the Moriarty, New Mexico Municipal Airport has been a very active soaring site and today there are perhaps 40 gliders flown on a fairly frequent basis by both Albuquerque Soaring Club members and folks who fly with Sundance Aviation (the Moriarty based glider FBO). During those 45 years there have been literally thousands of glider fights out of Moriarty. New Mexico is also well known for its many thunderstorms and the associated lightning which is very common during the summer monsoon season. This active period usually begins in late-June/early July and normally ends in mid-September. So, what can we learn here? As others have stated, lightning strikes are rare and the need for using an emergency parachute is also pretty rare, but as someone quite wise once told me..... "It is better to have a parachute and not need it than to need a parachute and not have it...." Thx - Renny |
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We had a bailout from a Discus CS in February at the Auckland Gliding Club as a result of aileron controls becoming jammed. The pilot is pretty happy he was wearing the expensive seat cushion. He departed the CS at about 1600' AGL :-) Colin |
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Hi Bruce I'm aware of 2 midairs at circuit height, one in the UK and one in Australia, where the pilots of the disabled gliders (2) were saved by using the chute Colin |
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On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 8:43:03 PM UTC+13, Ventus_a wrote:
We had a bailout from a Discus CS in February at the Auckland Gliding Club as a result of aileron controls becoming jammed. The pilot is pretty happy he was wearing the expensive seat cushion. He departed the CS at about 1600' AGL Wow that's pretty low. Prior experience? |
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The UK one was a gentleman who if I recall correctly was 80 or so and he was in a K8. Was quite a few years ago now and he had experience back in WW2. The Australian one was quite some time ago as well and once again relying on an aging memory the pilot was in his mid to late 60s. It was a Discus of some description. Saw the fuse years ago back when Sandy Shields was still the owner of Sailplane Services As an aside Theo Newfield had a midair many years ago in a comp in Australia. He was hit from behind and the other pilot didn't survive Colin |
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On Monday, March 16, 2015 at 7:29:19 AM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote:
At about 800ft I lost a cylinder bolt and the case cracked at about 1:30 on this video. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=972894796062971 Boggs I think of a parachute as a form of life insurance where the buyer, as well as the family, is the beneficiary. And, it comes with a very small annual expense (repacking). I wonder how many married pilots out there don't have regular life insurance to help their potential widow and kids if they were to die? The number of people who do die is quite low compared to those who don't die, which is why life insurance companies are quite profitable. BUT, when someone in that small percentage of policy holders does die, the family benefits. Think about it. |
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What caused the aileron jam, if known?
Hi Bruce We had a bailout from a Discus CS in February at the Auckland Gliding Club as a result of aileron controls becoming jammed. The pilot is pretty happy he was wearing the expensive seat cushion. He departed the CS at about 1600' AGL :-) Colin |
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