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Imperial War Museum Duxford
"Mycroft" wrote in message ... I am going to visit Duxford in about 2 weeks is there anything there people would advise me to see or would like me to photograph to post for them too see? Myc Dont miss the Land Warfare hall, its a little way past the main cluster of building but worth the visit. Keith |
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
"Mycroft" wrote in message ... I am going to visit Duxford in about 2 weeks is there anything there people would advise me to see or would like me to photograph to post for them too see? Myc Dont miss the Land Warfare hall, its a little way past the main cluster of building but worth the visit. Keith The new hangar (sorry, I can't remember what it's called) is excellent. B52, F111 etc etc Look out for the V1 launch ramp outside! John |
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"John Mullen" wrote in message news Keith Willshaw wrote: The new hangar (sorry, I can't remember what it's called) is excellent. B52, F111 etc etc That's the American air museum. Look out for the V1 launch ramp outside! And the 9.2" Gun Keith |
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Also look out for TSR2, a big white jet, theres quite a story about that
jet, although its painted with xr219, its actually probably xr221. Xr 219 was the only one that flew, xr220 was about to fly but didnt because the project was cancelled the evening before, and was hence grounded, she is in R.A.F. Cosford i believe. the only other one would have been xr221 which was the next one in line on the production line. Xr 219 was towed to essex where she was shot at by other aircraft, "to see what the effects of bullets hitting her were", and was then scrapped. The competetiors were the American general Dynamics F111, which was cancelled as an order from U.S., the australians bought it and had years of development problems with it until it eventually cost in the region of £229.000.000.000 or so, T.S.R. 2 cost 195million up to point of cancellation. Lord Mountbatten wanted the Blackburn Buccaneer, as a strike aircraft, and so the buccaneer was ordered in U.K. Its an interesting story. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "John Mullen" wrote in message news Keith Willshaw wrote: The new hangar (sorry, I can't remember what it's called) is excellent. B52, F111 etc etc That's the American air museum. Look out for the V1 launch ramp outside! And the 9.2" Gun Keith |
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M. H. Greaves wrote:
Also look out for TSR2, a big white jet, theres quite a story about that jet, although its painted with xr219, its actually probably xr221. Xr 219 was the only one that flew, xr220 was about to fly but didnt because the project was cancelled the evening before, and was hence grounded, she is in R.A.F. Cosford i believe. the only other one would have been xr221 which was the next one in line on the production line. Xr 219 was towed to essex where she was shot at by other aircraft, "to see what the effects of bullets hitting her were", and was then scrapped. The competetiors were the American general Dynamics F111, which was cancelled as an order from U.S., the australians bought it and had years of development problems with it until it eventually cost in the region of £229.000.000.000 or so, T.S.R. 2 cost 195million up to point of cancellation. Lord Mountbatten wanted the Blackburn Buccaneer, as a strike aircraft, and so the buccaneer was ordered in U.K. Its an interesting story. And a beautiful plane. It could (almost) still be flying now if it had been built in quantity. Years ahead of its time. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "John Mullen" wrote in message news Keith Willshaw wrote: The new hangar (sorry, I can't remember what it's called) is excellent. B52, F111 etc etc That's the American air museum. That's it! Built in, what, about 2001? I've only been once but it was amazing. John |
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absolutely!
i DID have the video, but it got chewed in the VCR, very good. It was cancelled because of political procrastination (no i havent swallowed the dictionary!! lol), by a new labour government. I think its very hard to actually point a finger of blame at an individual, because they were all involved, but no one will admit to being the axeman. Our local library has a book called TSR 2, it also has one called the murder of TSR 2, its not in general circulation for rent; it has to be requested in advance. I had a vacform kit 1:72 scale, until recently, when i sold my entire collection to some one in boston lincolnshire; it took me a year to build the thing! because i wanted it right in every possible way, so i researched it thoroughly. Incidentaly, the F111 programme sold to Australia was 10 years late in delivery because of technical and development problems. It cost £220 billion up to then. but lord mount batten would go around trying to sell the buccaneer, saying that you could buy 3 bucc's to 1 TSR 2, ultimately he got his way, tha RAF didnt want the buccaneer, so they bought the F4 Phantom from USA, and altered it to take the rolls royce spey afterburner engines. Like i say its quite a story. regards, Mark. "John Mullen" wrote in message ... M. H. Greaves wrote: Also look out for TSR2, a big white jet, theres quite a story about that jet, although its painted with xr219, its actually probably xr221. Xr 219 was the only one that flew, xr220 was about to fly but didnt because the project was cancelled the evening before, and was hence grounded, she is in R.A.F. Cosford i believe. the only other one would have been xr221 which was the next one in line on the production line. Xr 219 was towed to essex where she was shot at by other aircraft, "to see what the effects of bullets hitting her were", and was then scrapped. The competetiors were the American general Dynamics F111, which was cancelled as an order from U.S., the australians bought it and had years of development problems with it until it eventually cost in the region of £229.000.000.000 or so, T.S.R. 2 cost 195million up to point of cancellation. Lord Mountbatten wanted the Blackburn Buccaneer, as a strike aircraft, and so the buccaneer was ordered in U.K. Its an interesting story. And a beautiful plane. It could (almost) still be flying now if it had been built in quantity. Years ahead of its time. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "John Mullen" wrote in message news Keith Willshaw wrote: The new hangar (sorry, I can't remember what it's called) is excellent. B52, F111 etc etc That's the American air museum. That's it! Built in, what, about 2001? I've only been once but it was amazing. John |
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A good TSR-2 potted history site can be found on Damien Burke's "Thunder and Lightnings" site: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co...2/history.html I think that TSR-2 was cancelled by an aircraft-industry-hating Labour government, who really wanted to cancel Concorde, but discovered that the penalty clauses were too punative. Though they repeatedly denied it, I'm convinced that Jenkins and Healey were the prime movers. The spite and malice attending the cancellation still make me angry (jigs and tooling destroyed, documentation and even photographs burned). This all points to the political nature of the cancellation. They might as well have sown the Warton airfield with salt. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:12:04 +0000, Alan Dicey
wrote: A good TSR-2 potted history site can be found on Damien Burke's "Thunder and Lightnings" site: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co...2/history.html I think that TSR-2 was cancelled by an aircraft-industry-hating Labour government, Considering the person who ultimately authorised it also happened to be head of the board of trade when RR Nenes and Derwents were swapped for russian timber freely available in the Sterling zone. One could ascribe motives a lot more sinister than just hating the aircraft industry. greg -- You do a lot less thundering in the pulpit against the Harlot after she marches right down the aisle and kicks you in the nuts. |
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Yes i absolutely agree!
Labour gov't wanted the aircraft ind' to build aircraft that were already established, but did not want the industry to "go breaching the realms of science". At least thats what Jenkins says on the video, really labour has done irreversible damage to britians aircraft industry, we no longer make them here on our own, they have to be in collaboration with another nation, look at the tornado for example. All of the uk's people went to USA after the TSR 2 fiasco. Thanks for the link regards, mark. "Alan Dicey" wrote in message ... A good TSR-2 potted history site can be found on Damien Burke's "Thunder and Lightnings" site: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co...2/history.html I think that TSR-2 was cancelled by an aircraft-industry-hating Labour government, who really wanted to cancel Concorde, but discovered that the penalty clauses were too punative. Though they repeatedly denied it, I'm convinced that Jenkins and Healey were the prime movers. The spite and malice attending the cancellation still make me angry (jigs and tooling destroyed, documentation and even photographs burned). This all points to the political nature of the cancellation. They might as well have sown the Warton airfield with salt. |
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In article , M. H.
Greaves writes Yes i absolutely agree! Labour gov't wanted the aircraft ind' to build aircraft that were already established, but did not want the industry to "go breaching the realms of science". At least thats what Jenkins says on the video, really labour has done irreversible damage to britians aircraft industry, we no longer make them here on our own, they have to be in collaboration with another nation, look at the tornado for example. All of the uk's people went to USA after the TSR 2 fiasco. Thanks for the link regards, mark. "Alan Dicey" wrote in message ... A good TSR-2 potted history site can be found on Damien Burke's "Thunder and Lightnings" site: http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co...2/history.html I think that TSR-2 was cancelled by an aircraft-industry-hating Labour government, who really wanted to cancel Concorde, but discovered that the penalty clauses were too punative. Though they repeatedly denied it, I'm convinced that Jenkins and Healey were the prime movers. The spite and malice attending the cancellation still make me angry (jigs and tooling destroyed, documentation and even photographs burned). This all points to the political nature of the cancellation. They might as well have sown the Warton airfield with salt. There were paeans of praise for Roy Jenkins when he died, but all I could think of was "You were one of the *******s who killed the most advanced aircraft of its day". As Mark says, Jenkins, Healey and all couldn't understand why the industry had to build something new instead of existing designs. The fundamental problem was that the government of the time was made up of academics who mostly had no conception of the real world of industry. What good is a degree in English Literature or the Classics when you have to decide on the merits of a supersonic bomber? The present lot are just as bad - lawyers and socialist academics - the only one who has ever worn a uniform is Fatty "Two Jags" Prescott, and that was as a ship's steward in the Merchant Navy. There appears to be a snobbish mindset at the heart of British society that considers anything to do with engineering to be dirty and undignified, and manufacturing to be vulgar. The City is interested only in short-term profit, and doesn't seem capable of investing in the creativity and skill of inventors and engineers in the UK. \rant -- Peter Ying tong iddle-i po! |
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