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Cost to earn a glider certificate?
At 16:03 10 June 2008, brtlmj wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how does a club that operates that way allow for expansion? For example, if they get a dozen or so new members, they're going to want another glider, but they won't have any money to buy it. They will have additional monthly revenue which can be used to finance equipment. Yes, it will be more complicated than just having cash, but many potential members would never join if they had to pay a significant sum of money before they even start. But you said they're charging only $164 per year to join the club. Monthly revenue generally covers monthly operating costs. What sort of monthly revenue do they have? They must be charging some pretty steep rates for either equipment rental or tows. Jim Beckman (NJ) |
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Cost to earn a glider certificate?
On Jun 11, 4:43 am, Jim Beckman wrote:
They will have additional monthly revenue which can be used to finance equipment. Yes, it will be more complicated than just having cash, but many potential members would never join if they had to pay a significant sum of money before they even start. But you said they're charging only $164 per year to join the club. First of all, I think you are confusing me with Jim Logajan :-) What I wrote above was simply my guess - I know nothing about the club in question. Monthly revenue generally covers monthly operating costs. What sort of monthly revenue do they have? They must be charging some pretty steep rates for either equipment rental or tows. I am not an economist, but I believe that you can put an "equals" sign between a sum of money now, and a revenue stream in the future. So, having a monthly fee that covers more than operating costs might allow a club to charge a low initiation fee. |
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Cost to earn a glider certificate?
On Jun 11, 12:43*pm, Jim Beckman wrote:
At 16:03 10 June 2008, brtlmj wrote: Just out of curiosity, how does a club that operates that way allow for expansion? *For example, if they get a dozen or so new members, they're going to want another glider, but they won't have any money to buy it. They will have additional monthly revenue which can be used to finance equipment. Yes, it will be more complicated than just having cash, but many potential members would never join if they had to pay a significant sum of money before they even start. But you said they're charging only $164 per year to join the club. *Monthly revenue generally covers monthly operating costs. *What sort of monthly revenue do they have? *They must be charging some pretty steep rates for either equipment rental or tows. But the costs of flying will be paid by those that fly, rather than being subsidised by 'initiation fees' and so on. My guess is that it should work out cheaper for someone who flies very little, and more expensive for someone who flies club gliders a lot. |
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Cost to earn a glider certificate?
Jim Beckman wrote:
But you said they're charging only $164 per year to join the club. Monthly revenue generally covers monthly operating costs. What sort of monthly revenue do they have? They must be charging some pretty steep rates for either equipment rental or tows. Jim, that was me that said the club's annual dues were $164 per year. I have no idea what the club's operational costs or revenues are. Their rates are he http://www.kpflight.com/coburgmember.htm The rates seem reasonable, but I'm new to this so my perceptions aren't to be trusted! |
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Cost to earn a glider certificate?
I note that their revenue includes instructional fees at $30 per hour.
Most clubs of which I am aware do not charge for instruction. The second glider club I was in had an initiation fee that paid off the cost of a $900 TG-3. (1958-68). Dues were about $10 per month to pay administrative costs and hangaring. Tows were bought from an outsider and there was no rental fee at all. The theory was that this would encourage members to fly more. Two or three members profited wildly by flying all the time and splitting tow fees with guests, or having guests pay the entire tow fee. Those who did not fly were urged to do so and those that were too busy just dropped out. People weren't nearly as busy in 1958 as in 2008. It was a cheap way to build time. At 19:59 11 June 2008, Jim Logajan wrote: Jim Beckman wrote: But you said they're charging only $164 per year to join the club. Monthly revenue generally covers monthly operating costs. What sort of monthly revenue do they have? They must be charging some pretty steep rates for either equipment rental or tows. Jim, that was me that said the club's annual dues were $164 per year. I have no idea what the club's operational costs or revenues are. Their rates are he http://www.kpflight.com/coburgmember.htm The rates seem reasonable, but I'm new to this so my perceptions aren't to be trusted! |
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Cost to earn a glider certificate?
But, since I already own a "Floppy stupid looking hat", I should be way
ahead on the cost curve, right? -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. "jb92563" wrote in message ... On Jun 6, 8:34 pm, Jim Logajan wrote: Anyone have a rough idea of the amount to budget to earn a glider certificate? The glider training closest to me appears to be at this club: http://www.kpflight.com/coburg.htm Let see, 25 hours of dual with instructor. 25 hours solo Club membership Initiation Regular club dues Radio Club T-shirt Floppy stupid looking hat Sun Tan Lotion SPF 30+ Log book Reference books Exam study guide Car to get to the field Gas Money Bragging rights at the local Pub(Buy a round) Landout money for phone call & retrieve crews dinner. Your own glider or a share of one Upgrades to above glider Upgrade to a 4 wheel drive car to tow above glider from farmers field Gliding Holidays away to exotic places Divorce & Settlement I concur that about $2,500 should be enough to get started ;-) |
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Cost to earn a glider certificate?
If you have the right hat you don't need no instruction!
At 21:59 11 June 2008, Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote: But, since I already own a "Floppy stupid looking hat", I should be way ahead on the cost curve, right? -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. "jb92563" wrote in message ... On Jun 6, 8:34 pm, Jim Logajan wrote: Anyone have a rough idea of the amount to budget to earn a glider certificate? The glider training closest to me appears to be at this club: http://www.kpflight.com/coburg.htm Let see, 25 hours of dual with instructor. 25 hours solo Club membership Initiation Regular club dues Radio Club T-shirt Floppy stupid looking hat Sun Tan Lotion SPF 30+ Log book Reference books Exam study guide Car to get to the field Gas Money Bragging rights at the local Pub(Buy a round) Landout money for phone call & retrieve crews dinner. Your own glider or a share of one Upgrades to above glider Upgrade to a 4 wheel drive car to tow above glider from farmers field Gliding Holidays away to exotic places Divorce & Settlement I concur that about $2,500 should be enough to get started ;-) |
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