TSA Alien training/citizenship validation rule

For those who are still in holiday mood, the Alien training/citizenship
validation rule is in full effect since Dec. 20:
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...041220tsa.html

Chris (Green Alien with a Card or something like that)
PP-ASEL, Glider
New Mexico

PS: Actually the SSA should be "thankful" to the TSA, forcing so many
non-US pilots to glider lessions... ;-P

Does the TSA actually believe that this stupid rule is actually going to
stop those who intend the US harm, from obtaining flight training from other
sources.

From what I read in the 9/11 commission report, 2 of them were already
pilots trained overseas

Rob


"Chris" wrote in message
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For those who are still in holiday mood, the Alien training/citizenship
validation rule is in full effect since Dec. 20:
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...041220tsa.html

Chris (Green Alien with a Card or something like that)
PP-ASEL, Glider
New Mexico

PS: Actually the SSA should be "thankful" to the TSA, forcing so many
non-US pilots to glider lessions... ;-P

"RobsSanta" wrote in message
news:vfIzd.6932$CH5.3132@fed1read01...
Does the TSA actually believe that this stupid rule is actually going to
stop those who intend the US harm, from obtaining flight training from
other
sources.

From what I read in the 9/11 commission report, 2 of them were already
pilots trained overseas

Rob

More likely it will stop your average pilot to be travelling to the states
for training because of the hassle. Lots of $$$$ lost from the US aviation
economy.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 00:21:02 -0000, "Chris" wrote
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More likely it will stop your average pilot to be travelling to the states
for training because of the hassle.

On the other hand, with the decline in the value of the US$, foreign
pilots seeking training in the US will enjoy a 25% discount: :-(

"Chris" wrote in message
...

More likely it will stop your average pilot to be travelling to the states
for training because of the hassle. Lots of $$$$ lost from the US aviation
economy.



I look forward to the prospective pilots staying at home and pressuring
their governments to ease cost/access to flight training and increased
cooperation in destroying terrorists. I don't expect it, but it would be
nice if people around the world didn't expect their desires to be fulfilled
by the US and if not, they give up. Imagine if Germany and Japan's choice
was to go without pilots or make reasonable accomodations to permit adequate
flight training at home.



--

Scott

tscottme wrote:
... Imagine if Germany and Japan's choice
was to go without pilots or make reasonable accomodations to permit adequate
flight training at home.

but they do, for the select few. It's the average joe, the guy who
has no influence whatsoever, who gets shafted. Remember why your
own ancestors moved here in the first place; ok, may be not to get
their flight training, :-) but this is just symptomatic of how the
little guy is often left with no other choice but to seek whatever
he's seeking elsewhere if he was not lucky enough to be born in the
'right' place in the social hierarchy (why didn't your ancestors just
stay wherever they were and changed whatever made them leave?); and
the USA used to be pretty neat for that, that's actually what made
this nation what it is today... but this is getting way out of the
topic of this newsgroup :-)

--Sylvain

RobsSanta,

Does the TSA actually believe that this stupid rule is actually going to
stop those who intend the US harm, from obtaining flight training from other
sources.


No, they believe the public will feel better with this rule in place, which in
turn will allow those running the TSA to remain in power since the public will
vote for them. But you probably knew that...

Remember all the restrictions on rental trucks back after the WTC bombing and
Oklahoma City?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Tscottme,

pilots staying at home and pressuring
their governments to ease cost/access to flight training

Pilots? Pressuring governments? What world do you live in? That doesn't even
work in the US.



Imagine if Germany and Japan's choice
was to go without pilots or make reasonable accomodations to permit adequate
flight training at home.


Nobody needs GA pilots. The training of professional pilots in Germany and
Japan is well established - and set up completely independent of GA.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Tscottme,

pilots staying at home and pressuring
their governments to ease cost/access to flight training

Pilots? Pressuring governments? What world do you live in? That doesn't
even
work in the US.



Imagine if Germany and Japan's choice
was to go without pilots or make reasonable accomodations to permit
adequate
flight training at home.


Nobody needs GA pilots. The training of professional pilots in Germany and
Japan is well established - and set up completely independent of GA.


Bull****...

Here in Arizona, you seemingly can't swing an A&P by his extension cord
without hitting a Piper with the blue and yellow of Lufthansa on it.

The "Boys (and Girls) From Berlin" are major participants in the GA system
of the western United States.

So too, I believe, are pilots training for SAS (the airline, not the British
Military.)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Jay Beckman wrote:

Here in Arizona, you seemingly can't swing an A&P by his extension cord
without hitting a Piper with the blue and yellow of Lufthansa on it.

The "Boys (and Girls) From Berlin" are major participants in the GA system
of the western United States.

So too, I believe, are pilots training for SAS (the airline, not the British
Military.)


and the pilots of JAL over in Napa; but I somehow don't think they
will be much affected by the new rules (all taken care of by their
employers, they won't even know it); besides, I wouldn't be
surprised if there weren't any exemption in place for such training
arrangements in the first place.

--Sylvain