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  #121  
Old June 8th 07, 06:05 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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george writes:

Not in here and not from any of the current posters and pilots..


The active posters here who matter also show at least a modicum of respect,
since both civility and competence have a common root in intelligence. The
others don't matter, and so their respect or lack thereof is unimportant.

Like most newsgroups, this newsgroup is afflicted by a gang of regulars who
depend on each other for validation and bully anyone they don't like or anyone
who threatens their security (which essentially means anyone who doesn't
submit to them, as they tend to be very insecure). These people are not very
intelligent and whether they respect others or not makes not difference
(although it is interesting to note that such people rarely respect anyone
beyond themselves). They also are not very knowledgeable on the topics under
discussion, and their strutting aggression in the newsgroup cannot hide this.
Their posts consist mostly of highly predictable personal attacks, and are
easy to identify and ignore.

I look past the standard noise for information that will be useful to me.
Some people occasionally provide it. The rest is removed by the noise
filters.

you spend time in here posting upon subjects that are beyond you and
when corrected you start empty argument thus making a fool of yourself


Not really. I post questions to which I'd like to have answers. Sometimes
people give me useful answers; sometimes not. The static from the little boys
may hide the useful information (if any) from the uninitiated but not from
USENET veterans.
  #123  
Old June 8th 07, 06:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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flynrider via AviationKB.com writes:

Oh really? That would be news to the folks that make the charts.


I think not. The charts are marked in the standard way to indicate the
vertical boundaries of the SFRA. All sectors start at the surface, although
the ceilings vary.
  #124  
Old June 8th 07, 06:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
flynrider via AviationKB.com writes:

Oh really? That would be news to the folks that make the charts.


I think not. The charts are marked in the standard way to indicate the
vertical boundaries of the SFRA. All sectors start at the surface, although
the ceilings vary.


Apparently you have never heard of shelving or floors. Take
example, Las Vegas Departure or Las Vegas Approach. Technically
Departure's floor there is 3500ft; at the ceiling of the pattern
altitude around Tower's airspace. Departure is split, to where a
sector's ceiling is 13000, while the rest of the next departure sector
has a ceiling of FL190[1].

Approach is the same. Their the first approach sector will have
their ceiling be at either 16000 or 12000[2], while their floor be at
8000. Next sector (final) has from 8000 until handoff to tower.

All of that information is available on the Las Vegas
Sectional, which you would have realized if you looked at it, since
it's publically available.

And to top that off, you can hear it in use on the KLAS
LiveATC.net feed.

BL.

[1] altimeter won't matter, as pilots will know that below
29.92, FL190 won't be used for a cruise altitude.

[2] Coming from the northwest, the crossing restrictions coming
into the Vegas Valley on a published STAR is 16000; MVAs in
area vary from 10500ft MSL to 14000ft MSL.

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  #125  
Old June 8th 07, 06:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Not really. I post questions to which I'd like to have answers. Sometimes
people give me useful answers; sometimes not. The static from the little boys
may hide the useful information (if any) from the uninitiated but not from
USENET veterans.


So enlighten us, Anthony.. exactly how long have you been
posting on USENET to label yourself as a 'veteran'? I'd love to know
this.

BL.
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  #126  
Old June 8th 07, 07:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

So enlighten us, Anthony.. exactly how long have you been
posting on USENET to label yourself as a 'veteran'? I'd love to know
this.


Google is your friend, although that will not show my earliest activity.
  #127  
Old June 8th 07, 07:42 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mxsmanic
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A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

Apparently you have never heard of shelving or floors.


I have, but that's irrelevant here. The chart is clearly marked, e.g.,

9999' MSL
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SURFACE

Surface means the ground. You can't go below an airspace that starts on the
ground.

All of that information is available on the Las Vegas
Sectional, which you would have realized if you looked at it, since
it's publically available.


I'm looking at the Grand Canyon chart, which is also publically available, and
is much more relevant to the Grand Canyon SFRA than any other chart.
  #128  
Old June 8th 07, 08:04 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

So enlighten us, Anthony.. exactly how long have you been
posting on USENET to label yourself as a 'veteran'? I'd love to know
this.


Google is your friend, although that will not show my earliest activity.


Typical response; I'm pretty sure it would be easier to provide
an answer.

Either way, I'm more than positive I've been on USENET longer
than you. Also, it doesn't mean that you haven't contributed to the
signal-to-noise ratio in this group, because in judging from your
previous slathering of posts, you clearly have, and it's caused a lot
of people here (who not only are more than respectable, but have gone
beyond the call of duty to EARN that respect) to not respect you.

BL.
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  #129  
Old June 8th 07, 08:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Nice one!

K

"ManhattanMan" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
A Guy Called Tyketto writes:

If you want respect here ...

I already have the respect of those who matter.



Everyone that respects MX please raise your hand.



ROFLMFAO

[sitting on hands]


  #130  
Old June 8th 07, 08:06 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Keith Archer
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Another nice one!

K

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Mxsmanic,

I already have the respect of those who matter.


So nobody matters here?

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