Piper Pacer V-speeds

I may have the opportunity to ferry a Piper Pacer in the next 10 day
Can anyone provide the requisit v-speeds?

The POH should be in the aircraft... or information posted in the aircraft.

But being an old aircraft they may not be.. based on the certification
standards when it was produced.

BT

"jsmith" wrote in message ...
I may have the opportunity to ferry a Piper Pacer in the next 10 day
Can anyone provide the requisit v-speeds?

The aircraft is 100 miles from me. I wanted to brush up before the flight.

BTIZ wrote:

The POH should be in the aircraft... or information posted in the aircraft.

But being an old aircraft they may not be.. based on the certification
standards when it was produced.

BT

"jsmith" wrote in message ...
I may have the opportunity to ferry a Piper Pacer in the next 10 day
Can anyone provide the requisit v-speeds?

In article , jsmith wrote:

I may have the opportunity to ferry a Piper Pacer in the next 10 day
Can anyone provide the requisit v-speeds?



Be prepared for an aircraft with poor control feel, due to the bungee
interconnect between rudder and ailerons.

It has a rather high sink rate, due to a lot of drag and not a lot of
wing.

I never really liked the Tripe, but it was a cheap way to fly!

Orval Fairbairn wrote
jsmith wrote:
I may have the opportunity to ferry a Piper Pacer in the next 10 day
Can anyone provide the requisit v-speeds?

Be prepared for an aircraft with poor control feel, due to the bungee
interconnect between rudder and ailerons.

First off, there never was a bungee interconnect. The TriPacer has
(by default - there is an STC to remove it) a spring interconnect
between the rudder and aileron cables located directly aft of the
baggage compartment. The Pacer does not.

I've flown both, and for yank-and-bank I prefer not to have them. For
long XC (especially IFR) flight they are a blessing.

It has a rather high sink rate, due to a lot of drag and not a lot of
wing.

Actually, it's mainly the flaps; designed to get you into tight
obstructed strips with a minimum of fuss so of course that means high
sink rate. If you don't like the high sink rate, land flaps up.
Either way, approach speed is 75-80 mph. Watch it on the early models
- their Vfe is 80 mph!

A good place to get the limiting speeds is the TCDS - available on
line at
http://av-info.faa.gov/.

Michael

(Michael) wrote in message . com...
First off, there never was a bungee interconnect. The TriPacer has
(by default - there is an STC to remove it) a spring interconnect
between the rudder and aileron cables located directly aft of the
baggage compartment. The Pacer does not.


This brings up an interesting question. Most folks I know that have
converted Tri-Pacers to taildraggers now call them Pacers. I believe
there are more PA22/20 conversions than there are actual PA20s. That
being the case, do you know if the PA22/20 conversion removes the
interconnect? If not, the I'll bet a lot of "Pacers" could be said to
have the interconnect.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

John Galban wrote:

This brings up an interesting question. Most folks I know that have
converted Tri-Pacers to taildraggers now call them Pacers. I believe
there are more PA22/20 conversions than there are actual PA20s. That
being the case, do you know if the PA22/20 conversion removes the
interconnect? If not, the I'll bet a lot of "Pacers" could be said to
have the interconnect.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

The interconnect is removed per the STC that comes with a
conversion kit purchased from Univair. NonSTC conversions using
Piper's original PA20 drawings remove the interconnect because
the PA20 didn't have one; it was an "innovation" when Piper
came out with a PA22.

MikeM
Pacer '00Z

MikeM wrote in message ...

The interconnect is removed per the STC that comes with a
conversion kit purchased from Univair. NonSTC conversions using
Piper's original PA20 drawings remove the interconnect because
the PA20 didn't have one; it was an "innovation" when Piper
came out with a PA22.


I had also emailed my question to an A&P friend that owned a PA22/20
and his answer (relating to the STC) was "it depends". Here's his
response :

"It depends on the original horse power. If you had a 135 hp the
spring stays in place. If you had an original 135 hp, converted it to
150 hp, the spring stays. If you had an original 150 or 160hp and
converted it, you remove the spring. That's just the way the STC was
written.
Also if you go to 180 hp add a constant speed the spring stays or is
added."

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

jsmith wrote:

I may have the opportunity to ferry a Piper Pacer in the next 10 day
Can anyone provide the requisit v-speeds?

Cruise ~ 110mph
Pattern 80 mph
Vso & three-point landing speed ~55mph
Dont even think about trying wheel landings

MikeM
Pacer '00Z
http://home.utah.edu/~mgm17160/Island/flying.jpg

"MikeM"
Cruise ~ 110mph
Pattern 80 mph
Vso & three-point landing speed ~55mph
Dont even think about trying wheel landings

I'm curious, what's the thinking/experience behind wheelies? Squirrelly?
Prone to nose over? ??

BTW, I used to get glider tows (!!) behind one. What a horrible tow plane.
But sexy. I guess that's part of why I have a Maule. Beauty in the
eye..... and all that.