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Fatal Towplane Accident 5-9-20



 
 
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Old May 11th 20, 10:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Nick Kennedy[_3_]
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I've flown Low Tow on both ends of the rope in Australia
It works up high. Its kinda weird for the glider pilot. Its a very different sight picture.
But, when the tug is 50' in the air, during the initial T.O. it doesn't stop a kite like what happened in Byron Ca.
That kite accident is pure glider pilot error.
Even if the elevator is unconnected, it's still glider pilot error.
You've got to release *immediately* when things go out of parameters.
Don't try and save it especially when low say below 1000' IMHO
Nick
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Old May 11th 20, 11:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Several responses on how the release should be configured to improve response time of a release for Pawnee. Which is interesting since it wasn't a Pawnee this occurred with.
Any recommendations/documentation on how to improve a factory Bellanca Tow Hook or release handle?

Brian
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Old May 12th 20, 01:50 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Our Citabria has the release bowden cable routed up to the top of the fuselage and comes out of the headliner just in front of the switch console and forward to attach to the structural tube at the windscreen/wing root. This places the cable directly above the throttle by about 18 inches at the top of the window.

To release, raise your hand from the throttle to the cable and pull down on the cable. You don't need to look for it or take your eyes off the sky.

We use a Tost release, so no special lever is required to overcome release friction, a simple 5 lb pull will do it.

I have seen some Scouts with a lever mounted up top in an inverted orientation, so you pull down and forward on the lever to actuate.

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Old May 12th 20, 12:10 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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As well as our Pawnee, our club also operated a Scout for many years. It
had the same release system as our Pawnee, as described in Dave
Springfield's post below and in my earlier post.


At 00:50 12 May 2020, Dave Springford wrote:
Our Citabria has the release bowden cable routed up to the top of the
fusel=
age and comes out of the headliner just in front of the switch console

and
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forward to attach to the structural tube at the windscreen/wing root.
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places the cable directly above the throttle by about 18 inches at the
top=
of the window.

To release, raise your hand from the throttle to the cable and pull down
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the cable. You don't need to look for it or take your eyes off the sky.

We use a Tost release, so no special lever is required to overcome

release
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friction, a simple 5 lb pull will do it. =20

I have seen some Scouts with a lever mounted up top in an inverted
orientat=
ion, so you pull down and forward on the lever to actuate.



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Old May 12th 20, 05:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Anyone see a tow rope in the accident photos? There appears to be a probe of some sort close to the tail wheel and extending beyond. Too blurry to see clearly, but isn't this where the release mech should be? Towed with a Scout many times. We won't get much from the NTSB for months, unfortunately.
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Old May 14th 20, 03:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 11:51:38 PM UTC-5, Curt wrote:
Anyone see a tow rope in the accident photos? There appears to be a probe of some sort close to the tail wheel and extending beyond. Too blurry to see clearly, but isn't this where the release mech should be? Towed with a Scout many times. We won't get much from the NTSB for months, unfortunately.
CC


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ovjoh7ymc...5hglEWaya?dl=0
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Old May 14th 20, 04:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 11:51:38 PM UTC-5, Curt wrote:
Anyone see a tow rope in the accident photos? There appears to be a probe of some sort close to the tail wheel and extending beyond. Too blurry to see clearly, but isn't this where the release mech should be? Towed with a Scout many times. We won't get much from the NTSB for months, unfortunately.
CC


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/snhkjkit2...Wdun8aY2a?dl=0
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Old May 12th 20, 12:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 10:57:01 AM UTC-4, Paul Agnew wrote:
Very sad to read this tragic news this morning.

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2020/0...fatal.html?m=1

Comments (anonymous) on the webpage indicate kiting may have been a significant factor.

Sincere condolences to the family of the tow pilot and to the members of the club.

Paul Agnew
Jupiter, FL


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Old May 12th 20, 12:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 10:57:01 AM UTC-4, Paul Agnew wrote:
Very sad to read this tragic news this morning.

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2020/0...fatal.html?m=1

Comments (anonymous) on the webpage indicate kiting may have been a significant factor.

Sincere condolences to the family of the tow pilot and to the members of the club.

Paul Agnew
Jupiter, FL


Very sad day my condolences to the family and all who knew him. He is a great loss to the soaring community.
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Old May 12th 20, 09:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Sunday, May 10, 2020 at 7:57:01 AM UTC-7, Paul Agnew wrote:
Very sad to read this tragic news this morning.

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2020/0...fatal.html?m=1

Comments (anonymous) on the webpage indicate kiting may have been a significant factor.

Sincere condolences to the family of the tow pilot and to the members of the club.

Paul Agnew
Jupiter, FL


16Y had a device to cut the rope and would not have been effected by the tension on the rope. The snout at the tail is a tube that feeds the rope to electric spool behind the pilots seat after release.

We are looking for the tow rope.

BG

Indeed it was a canopy came open.
 




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