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Do Winglets reduce ground effect
I do not think I had "thermic help" over the hot concrete/pavement. I think the tall grass negated the ground effect.
On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 1:51:22 PM UTC-8, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote: I would sorta guess you had "thermic help" when over the pavement while you may have had sink over the grass. |
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Do Winglets reduce ground effect
At 22:09 16 December 2016, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
I do not think I had "thermic help" over the hot concrete/pavement. I think the tall grass negated the ground effect. On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 1:51:22 PM UTC-8, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote: I would sorta guess you had "thermic help" when over the pavement while you may have had sink over the grass. I would hazard to say that rotorcraft ground effect is not the same as fixed wing ground effect. That is a whole other ball of wax... When they took Bin Laden out, they had practiced in a mocked up area with chain linked fences surrounding the "compound". The reality was 8' concrete walls which deflected the blast upwards to create a vortex. As I recall, the temperature inside the compound was also ~15°F hotter than forecast (or reported by agents in the field). That pilot did a great job in a controlled crash, as the conditions inside the compound (vortex, temps, altitude) would not let him hover at that weight. Rotorcraft (V-22 included) downwash and vortices are a whole other animal unto themselves. Comparing them to glider ground effect is "apples to oranges"... While I do live in "helicopter central" (Close to the main Sikorsky plant), I only have a cursory understanding of that arena through education and friends / family in that business. I would leave the technical answer to your rotorcraft question to a rotary aircraft specialist. Sikorsky's "Skunk Works" is in Elmira, and I assume there are some of those employees who are also glider pilots that can answer your helicopter related question. I know that one of our old glider club members transferred there to work at the "Hawkworks" when it first opened. RO |
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Do Winglets reduce ground effect
Hovering in ground effect takes less energy over hard surfaces than over water or grass. Well known. No idea if it matters for fixed wing ground effects, my guess is not, or not significantly.
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