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I just have to get it off my chest.
"Clairbear" wrote in message ... "Don Pyeatt" wrote in : "Clairbear" wrote in message ... "Don Pyeatt" wrote in : "Clairbear" wrote in message ... "Don Pyeatt" wrote in : "Clairbear" wrote in message ... "Don Pyeatt" wrote in : "russell" wrote in message ... Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install unwanted programmes) when all you need to do is resize your pictures before you post them. The best pictures on this NG come from Glenn (IMO) and we don't have to install any upgraded software to view his images, so what is so special about yours? If you can't take his lead, maybe you are the loser and we have missed nothing.... "Clem" wrote in message . 97.136... This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular. Regarding YENC: There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST upgrade. This group has decided to be YENC-free and has reaffirmed the decision many times. If it goes YENC, I'm leaving. gdp don't get you panties in a twist there Don It really should not matter yenc or not if you have a good newsreader OE is not a good newreader BTW "Good" is a matter of opinion. OE sends and receives email, it has a broad group of filters, it doesn't force me to open anything I don't want to read, it reads from and posts to newsgroups, it combines and decodes.....just what would make it "good"? YENC??? From my experience, anyone who says OE is trash simply doesn't know how to use it. gdp OE is fine for email but as a newsreader it is stuck in the darkages There several fine newreader that would make posting and reading far simpler If you want to stay in the dark ages that is fine but don't attack those who post in an easily readable format. If you use a more up to date reader you can see what is posted by those who choose to use yenc. As for me when I post I don'y use yenc but I have no problem with those who do. "It is better to light one single candle than to curse the darkness" I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to use than OE. Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to manually read each and every one with OE I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more efficient and easier that OE What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work better Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know. Um...thanks for the prompt reply but you haven't told me anything that OE can't do. It can do all the things you say it can't. Perhaps you are one of those who don't know how to use it. And, I'll bet you a years wages that you don't know what other newsreaders I have tried. gdp I have used several newsreaders in the past in crulding OE and like so many of Bill gates' product I found OE to be lacking all of the features I just mentioned If you want to believe in Bill and microsloth that's all fine and goo but I used OE when I was a newbie and found it wanting and found xnews is soooo much better. As for newsreader you may have tried I would bet the were some primitive attempts building the better mousetrap It's interesting that my copy of OE will do the things that your copy won't. |
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I just have to get it off my chest.
Clem wrote:
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular. Regarding YENC: The reason I have no interest in Yenc is that is seems that if I were to use it I would be overcome with an unstoppable and highly irritating desire to berate anyone who did not adopt my belief. I would have to tell everyone who had no interest, just how good Yenc is and why they should get new software. I would also have to thrust all this onto the members of groups that have democratically agreed no to use this marvelous Yenc. I'll just continue going about my own business and going with the majority and ignoring all those Yenc missionaries. |
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I just have to get it off my chest.
Clem wrote:
This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular. Regarding YENC: if yEnc users follow the convention and place "yEnc" in the header line, there is no problem. redc1c4, pointing out the obvious, to the oblivious. %-) -- "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear considerable watching." Army Officer's Guide |
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I just have to get it off my chest.
I have used several newsreaders in the past in crulding OE and like so many of Bill gates' product I found OE to be lacking all of the features I just mentioned If you want to believe in Bill and microsloth that's all fine and goo but I used OE when I was a newbie and found it wanting and found xnews is soooo much better. As for newsreader you may have tried I would bet the were some primitive attempts building the better mousetrap So the truth will come out. It's not OE that's the problem, it's Bill Gates... |
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I just have to get it off my chest.
Clairbear wrote in news:Xns9967D801DDA8Fclairbear@
130.81.64.196: "Don Pyeatt" wrote in : "Clairbear" wrote in message ... SNIP I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to use than OE. Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to manually read each and every one with OE I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more efficient and easier that OE What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work better Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know. Like you, I use Xnews. The feature which sold me on it is that the fact that a file is yENC is just not an issue any more. I don't have to "convert" a received yENC file. I just download the file and Xnews shows me the picture. What I don't understand is why there seems to be an impression going around that yENC files are humungous in comparison to other encoding used for newsgroups. A file sent using the "normal" newsgroup encoding is generally 33 to 40% larger than the same file sent using yENC. For large, what about the fellow a few days ago that posted some large BMP image files. If I remember correctly, each image was a nine-part attachment. If he had used yENC, they would only have been about six-part attachments. I personaly think that a 30% saving in download time, bandwidth usage or whatever is worthy of real consideration. I know that someone will then say they can't get a yENC newsreader for their five-year-old computer. Five years in computer history is like 50 years in the automotive industry. While it is probably fairly easy to get upgrades for a 50-year-old Ford, it may not be the same for Studebaker or some other model produced in relatively lower volumes. |
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I just have to get it off my chest.
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I just have to get it off my chest.
Frank wrote in
: Clairbear wrote in news:Xns9967D801DDA8Fclairbear@ 130.81.64.196: "Don Pyeatt" wrote in : "Clairbear" wrote in message ... SNIP I had no intent of attacking anyone, if I did, I apologize. Please tell me the virtues of other newsreaders that make them easier to use than OE. Xnews can read all headers at once OE can't It can decode and rejoin multiaprt posts without other steps It can download an entire stream of posts where as You have to manually read each and every one with OE I could go on and on but Xnews and other similar to are just more efficient and easier that OE What would it harm for you to try one or more to see if they work better Of course if you are not willing to try you'll never know. Like you, I use Xnews. The feature which sold me on it is that the fact that a file is yENC is just not an issue any more. I don't have to "convert" a received yENC file. I just download the file and Xnews shows me the picture. What I don't understand is why there seems to be an impression going around that yENC files are humungous in comparison to other encoding used for newsgroups. A file sent using the "normal" newsgroup encoding is generally 33 to 40% larger than the same file sent using yENC. For large, what about the fellow a few days ago that posted some large BMP image files. If I remember correctly, each image was a nine-part attachment. If he had used yENC, they would only have been about six-part attachments. I personaly think that a 30% saving in download time, bandwidth usage or whatever is worthy of real consideration. I know that someone will then say they can't get a yENC newsreader for their five-year-old computer. Five years in computer history is like 50 years in the automotive industry. While it is probably fairly easy to get upgrades for a 50-year-old Ford, it may not be the same for Studebaker or some other model produced in relatively lower volumes. Well said Much better than I was able to put it |
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I just have to get it off my chest.
Goodby - Good Ridance!
"Clem" wrote in message . 97.136... This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular. Regarding YENC: The only interpretation provided to newbies, is to use a simple reader like OE. Unless you know the history of yenc software, newbies can't figure out why an answer like that is provided and the tempers erupt. You can plonk people to death, but what's the point? If we were at an air show and I mentioned that I use yenc, would you stop talking to me or I you? Probably not, that would be rude, so why persist with that type behavior on this newsgroup? This group has an aversion to yenc for only one noticeable reason, the rules here. Yenc has come a long way since its inception. If you take time to learn it, you might change your mind about it. It's assumed plonking posters who use yenc will be shamed into leaving or at least stop any future yenc posts. I was asked not to post here a long time ago because of the "rules". That's ok, I won't post anything on this group and subsequently the group has been denied what I have to share. I don't see the logic in it, but that's the way this group runs itself. This group only denies themselves because of an outdated rule. Every group I use that allows binary posting doesn't seem to have a problem with yenc. Actually they could care less and personally I have not had any trouble viewing others yenc postings. What this group needs is a rule to update its rules which brings me to this point: I don't understand why an unmoderated group insists on enforcing rules over a public platform like the Internet. Unless someone is breaking laws like posting child porn, the ability to enforce a rule like this is non- existent. It actually invites trouble. When a new user comes along, where do they go for the list of rules? The list of do's and do not's appear nowhere when I visit here. I say it's time to vote again. I say an open vote on a public system like yahoo should resolve this issue once and for all. For some reason I have a problem looking at GIF and BMP files only in a newsgroup. Should that reason alone be reason enough that I ask everyone not to use those formats? Eventually I'll find out what the problem is with my readers. The point here is that what problem "I" have should not be yours which is what oldtimers here don't understand. If all you see is gibberish, it isn't decoding. If the software isn't decoding it either has a problem or doesn't recognize the format. There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST upgrade. |
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I just have to get it off my chest.
Clem wrote: The only interpretation provided to newbies, is to use a simple reader like OE. I wonder if the push to yenc is an attempt to take down microsoft a bit? Just wondering. You can plonk people to death, but what's the point? If we were at an air show and I mentioned that I use yenc, would you stop talking to me or I you? Yes. The subject has been talked to death. Yet yenc pumpers don't seem to get it. Probably not, that would be rude, so why persist with that type behavior on this newsgroup? Huh? Yenc pumpers are persisting. I just haven't changed my mind. |
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I just have to get it off my chestkillfile. - "avmeter.gif" yEnc (1/1) [16K]
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 10:42:10 -0400, Woody wrote
(in article ): My solution to YENC posters is just to stick them in the killfile. And this affects me... how? Stop trying to dictate what everyone else should use. Not doing that. On the other hand, some people are trying to say how others must post. My solution is if you insist on YENC I don't want to see your pictures. Sounds like a plan. "Frank" wrote in message ... "russell" wrote in : Clem, upgrade to what? Why should I upgrade (or install unwanted programmes) when all you need to do is resize your pictures before you post them. The best pictures on this NG come from Glenn (IMO) and we don't have to install any upgraded software to view his images, so what is so special about yours? If you can't take his lead, maybe you are the loser and we have missed nothing.... "Clem" wrote in message . 97.136... This is just an open thought not directed at anyone in particular. Regarding YENC: There does come a point when to stay current, you MUST upgrade. Clem: I agree with you wholeheartedly. "Upgrade to what?" Just use your web browser to search for "yenc newsreader" and you will be rewarded with a long list of free offerings. Why downsize your images when YENC is so easy. Frank |
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