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John S. Shinal wrote:
(Rob van Riel) wrote: Navy Phantoms were capable of carrying a 20mm gunpod, but there is an abundance of references stating this weapon was worse than useless for air to air use, and thus not carried. However, I can't really find any reference on the use of the gun in air to ground work. I know Air Force Phantoms used gunpods for this, but did the Navy? They may not exactly have been 'useless' for air-to-air, the USAF's 366th TFW "Gunfighters" scored a number of times with the pod. There were actually three different pods in play here, I believe. THe Air Force had the SUU-16 and SUU-23, both based on Gatling guns and both, I belive, using linkelss feeds. The Navy was using a different pod, the Mk 4, with the rather unusual dual-barrel Mk 11 revolver canon. I've heard some rather unfavorable remarks about the MK 4, that it was no good at all for air-to-air becuase it jammed if you pulled G while firing (it was belt-fed, not linkless). But I don't know this as a fact. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right." - Senator Carl Schurz, 1872 |
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I stand corrected; was I reasonably close with regard to the other stuff I
wrung out? :-) cheers, Morten "Mike Kanze" wrote in message ... Morten, 4000 lbs JP4 Microscopic nit: Carrier-borne aircraft used JP5 in my day. Higher flashpoint, thus safer around the boat. Not sure, but ISTR the boat uses another JP type these days?! Ashore, they burn JP4, allowing XC stops at the nice golf courses positioned at nearly all AFBs. g rest of thread snipped :-) |
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Ogden Johnson III wrote in message . ..
Marine Corps F-4s certainly did. We've always liked cannons, whether ground-based artillery or airborne .30 cals, .50 cals, 20mm, 30mm. [Or even the 105mm carried by Puff and its descendants.] Thanks for the info. I'll add it to my list of things to put under USMC Phantoms. Rob |
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Walt- Pechs- did the Navy F4B have an air to air computing gunsight like the
USAF F4D? BRBR Don't think so altho the only F-4C time I had was in CIS at Luke AFB. In 'D' models, we used the SUU-23 all the time in A-G, none against the dart tho..In RTU, 61st and 13th at MacDill. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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robvr- Almost makes sense, mainly because I never flew anything myself, let
alone a Navy jet. Would 2 and 2 mean 2 Sparrow, 2 Sidewinder? What do max trap values mean? BRBR Max trap for the F-4 was 40,000 pounds. Empty F-4S weighed about 34k, F-4J was 33000 or so. 2 and 2 weighed about 1500 lbs. Only 6000 to play with to get to 40k. If ya added a 2000 lb gun pod(2000 or 1000??), then max trap fuel was kinda low. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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We used 4.0 day time, 5.1 night time or non-case 1 daytime. We used to pull the
cb on tank 7 so it wouldn't transfer...held it until recovery so you could be 5.1 twice on the ball if ya went into the penalty box. The CG thing w/o sparrows aft wasn't a big deal. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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John- Interesting info from Pechs1 about trap weight, though. The
USN may have had additional issues due to the gun getting banged about during traps. BRBR The only gun pod the USN had was the non-20mm vulcan cannon version. Kinda like a A-4 gun inna pod and to say it wan't reliable is putting it mildly. On my first cruise in VF-33, 1975, no pods were on any boat, afaik. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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"Pechs1" wrote in message ... We used 4.0 day time, 5.1 night time or non-case 1 daytime. We used to pull the cb on tank 7 so it wouldn't transfer...held it until recovery so you could be 5.1 twice on the ball if ya went into the penalty box. The CG thing w/o sparrows aft wasn't a big deal. Just enough change in CG to assist in pitch rate a bit. Once I got reasonably proficient in the jet I could tell the difference between a late and early block jet ... the early (non-transferring) being the preferred ride. R / John |
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