Talk About A Rude Company,

Hello, Everyone

I just called http://www.guaranteedflighttraining.com up after e-mailing
them about instrument flight training and they responded with a sales pitch
with out even addressing my questions, So I called then today talked with a
guy named mike well he was very rude, evasive and avoided answering simple
questions. When I asked him what their guarantee was he said why don't you
get flight instruction up there I told him I was looking for a better value
and the weather up here is not ideal for training environment most all
instructors will not go up in actual because flight FBO will not allow
insurance I guess or they are not comfortable with being in actual them
selves. He then asked me if I had my written test done, I said no I have
been studying but have not been signed off for the test. He then was very
rude and said Don't understand why the instructors would fly with you out
there. I told him it is not me it's their preference fbo insurance ect. he
hangs up on me that is rude. Don't deal with them they sound like a fly by
night operation out to take large sums of money and close down.

This Company Has Triggered My Bull**** Detector.

Company Owner's Information:

Michael Upton
Guaranteed Flight Training
4142 Bannock Ave
San Diego, CA US
92117

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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This Company Has Triggered My Bull**** Detector.

Maybe you triggered theirs. I have gathered from your pseudonym and past
posts that "up here" is the Pacific Northwest, or thereabouts. From my
initial IFR training a decade ago, to recent competency checks, I've never
had an instructor balk at giving instruction in actual instrument
conditions. I had 20 hours of actual when I passed my instrument checkride.

Based on my experience, I find your self-admitted claims that instruction in
actual instrument conditions is unavailable to be outright false. Who knows
what else you said to the folks that was similarly unfounded (after all,
we're just getting one side of the story...I'm sure we'd have at least a
slightly different "take" if there was an actual audio recording of your
conversation we could listen to).

Maybe they just don't want someone who hasn't done due diligence in their
own neighborhood coming down to California and having unreasonable
expectations about what's possible there?

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

Maybe you triggered theirs.

I was thinking the same thing, but for a different reason. If the OP speaks
as he writes, well, anyone's BS meter will be ringing.

- Andrew

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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This Company Has Triggered My Bull**** Detector.


You certainly have triggered mine. Every instructor I know up here will fly
in actual. Of course, given the attitude, I suspect that it is simply that
nobody wants to fly with you.

In any event, if you don't like ANYTHING about a place where you're
plunking your money down, take it elsewhere! Screw the folks that are
turning it around and blaming it on you. It's all about the CUSTOMER.
When these slobs realize that, they'll be better off. Until then, let
them bitch and complain about how they can't make a living.

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:19:58 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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This Company Has Triggered My Bull**** Detector.


You certainly have triggered mine. Every instructor I know up here will fly
in actual. Of course, given the attitude, I suspect that it is simply that
nobody wants to fly with you.

"Almarz" wrote in message
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In any event, if you don't like ANYTHING about a place where you're
plunking your money down, take it elsewhere! Screw the folks that are
turning it around and blaming it on you. It's all about the CUSTOMER.
When these slobs realize that, they'll be better off. Until then, let
them bitch and complain about how they can't make a living.


Good flight instructors are as picky about their students as good students
are picky of their flight instructors. If a student gives me the creeps, is
rude, or has an attitude problem, he can take his business elsewhere.

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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I just called http://www.guaranteedflighttraining.com up after e-mailing
them about instrument flight training and they responded with a sales
pitch
with out even addressing my questions, So I called then today talked with
a
guy named mike well he was very rude, evasive and avoided answering simple
questions. When I asked him what their guarantee was he said why don't you
get flight instruction up there...

NW, the web site you cite explains their guarantee: if you don't obtain your
rating by the time they quoted you, your remaining training for the rating
will be free of flight-instruction charges.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
...
I just called http://www.guaranteedflighttraining.com up after e-mailing
them about instrument flight training and they responded with a sales
pitch
with out even addressing my questions, So I called then today talked
with
a
guy named mike well he was very rude, evasive and avoided answering
simple
questions. When I asked him what their guarantee was he said why don't
you
get flight instruction up there...

NW, the web site you cite explains their guarantee: if you don't obtain
your
rating by the time they quoted you, your remaining training for the rating
will be free of flight-instruction charges.

--Gary



When I called them and asked them for a quote and to see their written
guarantee they avoid the question. Call any legitimate company that offers a
written guarantee they will let you see the guarantee or read it to you over
the phone. There has to be some sort of catch if they avoid the question or
there is actually no written guarantee. I am not going to travel to their
flight school if they cannot back up what they say on their web site with a
legal written document. They could fax me a copy of it e-mail me a copy of
it for my review they could post their guarantee on their web site. It is my
responsibility as a customer to do due diligence on anyone I deal with and I
was just sharing my experience about that company, they were very rude and
unprofessional!

Unfortunately, Seattle Flight Service, Inc. no longer exists...but when it
did, I had no problem in shepherding students through their instrument
training 12 months out of the year.

Bob Gardner

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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Hello, Everyone

I just called http://www.guaranteedflighttraining.com up after e-mailing
them about instrument flight training and they responded with a sales
pitch
with out even addressing my questions, So I called then today talked with
a
guy named mike well he was very rude, evasive and avoided answering simple
questions. When I asked him what their guarantee was he said why don't you
get flight instruction up there I told him I was looking for a better
value
and the weather up here is not ideal for training environment most all
instructors will not go up in actual because flight FBO will not allow
insurance I guess or they are not comfortable with being in actual them
selves. He then asked me if I had my written test done, I said no I have
been studying but have not been signed off for the test. He then was very
rude and said Don't understand why the instructors would fly with you out
there. I told him it is not me it's their preference fbo insurance ect. he
hangs up on me that is rude. Don't deal with them they sound like a fly by
night operation out to take large sums of money and close down.

This Company Has Triggered My Bull**** Detector.

Company Owner's Information:

Michael Upton
Guaranteed Flight Training
4142 Bannock Ave
San Diego, CA US
92117

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Almarz" wrote in message
...
In any event, if you don't like ANYTHING about a place where you're
plunking your money down, take it elsewhere! Screw the folks that are
turning it around and blaming it on you. It's all about the CUSTOMER.
When these slobs realize that, they'll be better off. Until then, let
them bitch and complain about how they can't make a living.


Good flight instructors are as picky about their students as good students
are picky of their flight instructors. If a student gives me the creeps,
is
rude, or has an attitude problem, he can take his business elsewhere.



I agree but its my money I am spending and it had to be earned with hard
work! I have already been shafted once on my private training and had to go
finish at another flight school witch ended up costing me more money than I
needed to spend. I guess the education I recived from that experience was
worth the extra money spent. I will not make them mistakes again!

Some flight instructor or fbo is going to get a large chunk of
http://www.warflying.net/money.jpg and its not going to be someone that
don't want to work, is under qualified or a company I feel is not going to
give what they agreed upon. Someone like me that want to fly 3 more hours
per day 5 times a week needs an instructor around that can accommodate my
schedule. I want to make dame sure an instructor will show up on time also.
The instructor must also have the experience and the knowledge that I seek
to learn from. Being a flight instructor for a living makes you a business.

I could see flight instructors doing it on the side with little free time
picking and chousing their students but I don't want to here one complaint
on how they are not making any money! If they work an FBO and the FBO brings
them students then they should not be so picky until they at leased fly with
the student. Not every one is perfect, not every one learns the material int
the same way. That is why their are many flight instructors out there.

My first primarry flight instructor was a good instructor but had a bit of
an attitude when you did something wrong and was not calm he scared me a
little.

My second primarry flight instructor was an Excellent Flight instructor but
worked for a FBO that was not stable and the owners were a bunch of crooks.
Wish he did not give up flight instruction for the airlines or we would not
be having this conversation I would have paid him $50.00 or more an hour to
be able to have him as my instructor for my instrument rating. He did not
hold any of his knowledge or skills back and was a straight forward and
adapted to my learning style.

I have flown with a few other flight instructors, most were not very
professional and will not adapt to my learning style so I am seeking out
other areas to meet my instruction needs.