Why GA is Dying

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"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...
| Dudley Henriques wrote:
|
|
| Actually, the real threat to general aviation in the
United States has been,
| is now, and always will be, the American lawyer :-)
| Dudley Henriques
|
|
|
| I dont blame the lawyer.. I blame the folks who HIRE the
lawyer.
|
| Interesting take on this thread... How many would have
thought a more
| "friendly" approach would have been to simply go out to
the ramp (FBO
| employee, or whomever was tasked to be ramp nazi that day)
and socialize
| with the photographer?
|
| Ask him nicely about what he's doing.. comment on the nice
weather...
| ask him where he's from.. shake his hand.. get his name..
Ask him if he
| wants to get flying lessons, maybe point out a place down
the road that
| does discovery flights, and offer to forward his name and
phone number
| to them.. Invite him to come sign a visitor's log in the
lobby, which
| your FBO keeps there for that purpose.. look at this ID
there..
|
| If the "visitor" gets evasive or otherwise suspicious,
then play "bad
| cop" and switch gears.. until then, with the friendly
approach, you have
| made the visitor aware that he IS being watched, while at
the same time
| being accomodating and promoting GA. Remember.. just about
all of us
| started off by going to the local field and hanging around
for a bit
| (unless you were born into aviation, or a product of the
military).
|
| If we keep turning small airports in to private clubs with
barbed wire
| and keypad entries, they will soon become OLD FARTS
private clubs with
| rusting fences and declining membership.
|
| Dave

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...
Dudley Henriques wrote:


Actually, the real threat to general aviation in the United States has
been, is now, and always will be, the American lawyer :-)
Dudley Henriques

I dont blame the lawyer.. I blame the folks who HIRE the lawyer.

Although its true you need a plaintiff to file a lawsuit, before lawyers
were allowed to advertise, that plaintiff had to seek out the lawyer and
initiate the proceedings.
Today, lawyers freely advertise, fishing the population for potential
lawsuits, not in the interest of justice, but completely in the interest of
filling their pockets. People who would never have sued anyone or sued a
major company for something happening that was the result of their own
carelessness and/or bad judgment have been "educated" by lawyers into
believing that there is gold at the end of every rainbow.......as long as
the lawyer gets their commission for showing the way.
Remember, you can have a greedy person wanting a lawsuit and nothing
happens, but put that greedy person in contact with a greedy lawyer, and the
lawsuits begin to flow. In today's legal world, this pairing is usually the
result of the lawyer initiating the contact!
Dudley Henriques

Dave S wrote:

Dudley Henriques wrote:


Actually, the real threat to general aviation in the United States has
been, is now, and always will be, the American lawyer :-)
Dudley Henriques


I dont blame the lawyer.. I blame the folks who HIRE the lawyer.

Interesting take on this thread... How many would have thought a more
"friendly" approach would have been to simply go out to the ramp (FBO
employee, or whomever was tasked to be ramp nazi that day) and socialize
with the photographer?

Ask him nicely about what he's doing.. comment on the nice weather...
ask him where he's from.. shake his hand.. get his name.. Ask him if he
wants to get flying lessons, maybe point out a place down the road that
does discovery flights, and offer to forward his name and phone number
to them.. Invite him to come sign a visitor's log in the lobby, which
your FBO keeps there for that purpose.. look at this ID there..

Yes, a much better approach. Accomplishes the same thing from a
security perspective and maybe even gets a new student if the person
isn't there for nefarious purposes.

Matt

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...
Dudley Henriques wrote:


Interesting take on this thread... How many would have thought a more
"friendly" approach would have been to simply go out to the ramp (FBO
employee, or whomever was tasked to be ramp nazi that day) and socialize
with the photographer?

Ask him nicely about what he's doing.. comment on the nice weather... ask
him where he's from.. shake his hand.. get his name.. Ask him if he wants
to get flying lessons, maybe point out a place down the road that does
discovery flights, and offer to forward his name and phone number to
them.. Invite him to come sign a visitor's log in the lobby, which your
FBO keeps there for that purpose.. look at this ID there..

If the "visitor" gets evasive or otherwise suspicious, then play "bad cop"
and switch gears.. until then, with the friendly approach, you have made
the visitor aware that he IS being watched, while at the same time being
accomodating and promoting GA. Remember.. just about all of us started off
by going to the local field and hanging around for a bit (unless you were
born into aviation, or a product of the military).

Dave

Interesting suggestion Dave, and very valid, but I don't know many security
officers that possess the 'salesman type' persona to be able to carry that
off too well. True, that's a generalisation, but you must admit, a lot of
security guards might struggle with it.
Not saying sec guards are dumb or meat heads or anything, don't get me
wrong, just saying that they are generally or the thought that something is
always not right, and it's their job to make it right. Sort of guilty until
proven innocent.
Crash Lander

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...

Interesting take on this thread... How many would have thought a more
"friendly" approach would have been to simply go out to the ramp (FBO
employee, or whomever was tasked to be ramp nazi that day) and socialize
with the photographer?

Ask him nicely...

Good stuff, Dave!

-c

Hear, Hear.

Al G


"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...
Dudley Henriques wrote:


Actually, the real threat to general aviation in the United States has
been, is now, and always will be, the American lawyer :-)
Dudley Henriques

I dont blame the lawyer.. I blame the folks who HIRE the lawyer.

Interesting take on this thread... How many would have thought a more
"friendly" approach would have been to simply go out to the ramp (FBO
employee, or whomever was tasked to be ramp nazi that day) and socialize
with the photographer?

Ask him nicely about what he's doing.. comment on the nice weather... ask
him where he's from.. shake his hand.. get his name.. Ask him if he wants
to get flying lessons, maybe point out a place down the road that does
discovery flights, and offer to forward his name and phone number to
them.. Invite him to come sign a visitor's log in the lobby, which your
FBO keeps there for that purpose.. look at this ID there..

If the "visitor" gets evasive or otherwise suspicious, then play "bad cop"
and switch gears.. until then, with the friendly approach, you have made
the visitor aware that he IS being watched, while at the same time being
accomodating and promoting GA. Remember.. just about all of us started off
by going to the local field and hanging around for a bit (unless you were
born into aviation, or a product of the military).

If we keep turning small airports in to private clubs with barbed wire and
keypad entries, they will soon become OLD FARTS private clubs with rusting
fences and declining membership.

Dave

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...
I dont blame the lawyer.. I blame the folks who HIRE the lawyer.

Interesting take on this thread... How many would have thought a more
"friendly" approach would have been to simply go out to the ramp (FBO
employee, or whomever was tasked to be ramp nazi that day) and socialize
with the photographer?

Ask him nicely about what he's doing.. comment on the nice weather... ask
him where he's from.. shake his hand.. get his name.. Ask him if he wants
to get flying lessons, maybe point out a place down the road that does
discovery flights, and offer to forward his name and phone number to
them.. Invite him to come sign a visitor's log in the lobby, which your
FBO keeps there for that purpose.. look at this ID there..

If the "visitor" gets evasive or otherwise suspicious, then play "bad cop"
and switch gears.. until then, with the friendly approach, you have made
the visitor aware that he IS being watched, while at the same time being
accomodating and promoting GA. Remember.. just about all of us started off
by going to the local field and hanging around for a bit (unless you were
born into aviation, or a product of the military).

If we keep turning small airports in to private clubs with barbed wire and
keypad entries, they will soon become OLD FARTS private clubs with rusting
fences and declining membership.

Dave

Well said...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

"Dave S" wrote in message
nk.net...
Interesting take on this thread... How many would have thought a more
"friendly" approach would have been to simply go out to the ramp (FBO
employee, or whomever was tasked to be ramp nazi that day) and socialize
with the photographer?

Ask him nicely about what he's doing.. comment on the nice weather... ask
him where he's from.. shake his hand.. get his name.. Ask him if he wants
to get flying lessons, maybe point out a place down the road that does
discovery flights, and offer to forward his name and phone number to
them.. Invite him to come sign a visitor's log in the lobby, which your
FBO keeps there for that purpose.. look at this ID there..

If the "visitor" gets evasive or otherwise suspicious, then play "bad cop"
and switch gears.. until then, with the friendly approach, you have made
the visitor aware that he IS being watched, while at the same time being
accomodating and promoting GA. Remember.. just about all of us started off
by going to the local field and hanging around for a bit (unless you were
born into aviation, or a product of the military).

Why is this all on the security guy anyway? Yes, the security bloke could
have used a more friendly, sales type approach, but the camera guy could
have also arrived at the field, and gone into the office and said:
Camera Dude: "Hi! I'm John! Any problems if I take a few snaps of some
planes coming in? I'm really into small aircraft, and I'd love to get some
action shots!"
Security Guy: "No problem mate! If you like, I have some old mags and charts
here you might like to have a look at! If you have any questions, just ask
away!"

Very friendly, permission given, and our camera guy may have even struck up
a relationship or conversation with a pilot in the office, and maybe scored
some info he may never have gotten.
The airfield IS after all, private property, and if anyone came onto my
property, and started snapping shots without my permission, I'd be pretty
****ed.
Crash Lander

Kyle Boatright wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
k.net...
This type of post is of course an opinion post and as such should be
respected in that context.
My personal opinion on this is that you are either going to have airport
security or you're not..period!

Bingo. Bothering somone taking pictures doesn't make sense when the field
has minimal, if any security. E.G. my home field. They don't ID pilots or
passengers - even transients.

Lucky. Back before the mandatory photo ID days, I'd routinely fly
without photo ID. Most because I'd forget and leave it in the car.
Point is, it wasn't required, and I'll ALWAYS get crap for not having ID
as a transient.

I dunno, last I checked, you weren't required to carry ID in the United
States. Still makes me angry.

In article ,
Emily wrote:

I dunno, last I checked, you weren't required to carry ID in the United
States. Still makes me angry.

Cannot remember where I have seen it, but, as of sometime ago, post
9/11... if you are flying, you are required by regulation to carry your
pilot's certificate and a government issued photo id.