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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: Change the rules for the National Guard.? From: Stephen Harding Date: 2/20/04 7:32 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Kevin Brooks wrote: "Stephen Harding" wrote in message I don't think people are exactly flocking to the Guard any more, given the rather lengthy, and sometimes consecutive, or round-robin deployments. Not certain people in the Guard really expected to be used so hard. Since when? Guard deployments have been on the upswing since ODS, with their assumption of first the SFOR mission and more recently KFOR. The old days of units never expecting to be mobilized have been long gone, even before the events following 9-11. The tempo since 9-11 has probably been greater than many thought before, but the Guard and Reserves as a whole were much more cognizant of the possibility of being mobilized now than they were twenty years ago, when the most they could usually expect was maybe a three-week AT to facilitate their participation in OCONUS training operations instead of the normal two weeks. This may be so, but I certainly don't recall some of these repeat deployments that some individuals, and Guard units are doing. At least around here (W. Mass.). It may be a seeming bias produced by news coverage, where individual, and especially families of individuals are complaining of the length of the duty call, and sometimes repeat calls. Even Ft. Campbell in Kentucky had families of (unit??) members publicly complaining about this, and I don't believe these were reserve or Guard. When you are in the Guard, I think you are still entitled to put family and job related concerns at a higher level. That's the way it's always been and GWI or not, seems that was the prevalent thinking, at least around here (we have a combat engineer unit locally for Army, and a Warthog unit for the air). When you're regular, you know you are GI, and family and you take second row seats when Uncle has need of you. SMH The guard is where you go when you don't want to go to war but want everyone to think that you do. End of story. You are truly a disgusting, sad sack of horse excrement. Here are a few of the DoD's press releases regarding the deaths of deployed Guardsmen and Reservists over just the past couple of weeks: http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/...0217-0348.html http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/...0217-0351.html http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/...0210-0339.html http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/...0209-0335.html Each of these folks gave a hell of a lot more than you did, despite your repeated crowing about your own exploits. Care to visit their next of kin and make that claim? Open a book, read a newspaper--just get a freakin' clue, you sanctimonious SOB. Guardsmen from a single brigade deployed from Florida had received over forty Purple Hearts in Iraq as of November; how many did YOU get? Brooks Arthur Kramer |
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The guard is where you go when you don't want to go to war but want everyone to think that you do. End of story. Art, That was uncalled for and unmitigated Bull****! I will grant you that at one time the State Militias were sort of "Old Boys Clubs" and a place to go drink beer during summer camp, but that has not always been the case. It is not the case now. Times change and most people keep up with them, you do not. By the way, the Guard was activated for WWII (your war, remember it?) before you even got out of high school. The Guard was taking casualties long before you got in the nose compartment of Willie and saved the world from the evil Hun. You owe some people an apology for that crack. Rick Clark Oxmoron1 |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... The guard is where you go when you don't want to go to war but want everyone to think that you do. End of story. What an amazing statement! It is demonstrably untrue now - see Iraq - and I doubt it was ever true. I think you know this and are just being stubborn, but if not it's time for you to start taking your senility pills. Jarg |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... snip The guard is where you go when you don't want to go to war but want everyone to think that you do. End of story. Do you still stand by your stupid statement ? (without printing red herrings about Powell etc) Doesn't take a rocket scientist to read about US "Guard" exploits in the War against Terrorism. |
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on 20 Feb 2004 16:24:32 GMT, ArtKramr attempted to say ..... The guard is where you go when you don't want to go to war but want everyone to think that you do. End of story. Screw you art, I joined the guard off active duty to be able to coninue to serve. -- When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant. |
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"Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... ArtKramr wrote: How about we fix it so that in case of national emergency the guard goes FIRST before the regular troops. Great idea huh? Think we would still get everyone flocking to the National Guard in that case? I know Bush would have been first in line to join up.. Right? I don't think people are exactly flocking to the Guard any more, given the rather lengthy, and sometimes consecutive, or round-robin deployments. Not certain people in the Guard really expected to be used so hard. There have been a few "freeloaders" who were happy to collect their check from Uncle when it only meant a few days a month and a "summer camp" for a couple weeks, but suddenly felt it unfair when ordered to pack up and head out for the desert. Overall though, I think the Guard units have held up very well, with really minimal griping that one might expect from "citizen soldiers". I don't think the Secret Service would let Bush sign up for the Guard right now. But hey, Kerry has combat experience as an officer, and decorations! He'd probably be in demand for the current exercise in Middle East democracy building, no? SMH On CNN the other night, they were visiting a high school that is adjacent to a military base, I was somewhat surprised there were kids of single parents, that were serving in Iraq, do the single parents in the Guards, that have school age children, have the option of being excused oversea duties ? BMC |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:57:10 GMT, in rec.aviation.military "Brian Colwell"
wrote: On CNN the other night, they were visiting a high school that is adjacent to a military base, I was somewhat surprised there were kids of single parents, that were serving in Iraq, do the single parents in the Guards, that have school age children, have the option of being excused oversea duties ? No. They are required to make the appropriate arrangements for their children while they are deployed. Bill Mississippi ANG 1981-1987 Texas ANG 1987-1991 |
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"William Hughes" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:57:10 GMT, in rec.aviation.military "Brian Colwell" wrote: On CNN the other night, they were visiting a high school that is adjacent to a military base, I was somewhat surprised there were kids of single parents, that were serving in Iraq, do the single parents in the Guards, that have school age children, have the option of being excused oversea duties ? No. They are required to make the appropriate arrangements for their children while they are deployed. Correct. On the ARNG and AC Army side, it is a reportable item on the Unit Status Report; a soldier who does not have a completed "Family Care Plan" is considered nondeployable until he/she completes it, and the command stays on them to get it right so that it does not affect their deployable MOSQ rate. Brooks Bill Mississippi ANG 1981-1987 Texas ANG 1987-1991 |
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