NY incident :-(

"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message nk.net...
Trying to hit an jet with a small piston single is like trying to hit a
bullet with an arrow. It would be interesting to see them try.

I think the point of the news stories right now is that they were going to
do this while both they and the 777 were taxiing, and not while in flight.

In that case, I'd have loaded up a bunch of baggage trolleys and chased after
the 777 with a tug.

Rosspilot wrote:

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm


Oddly, I'd no problems in the same neighborhood just a few hours later:

http://www.gideon.org/andrew/PhotoAl...ying/Hudson/3/

This was down the Hudson at 1500, left turn over Midtown, right turn down
the East River, around Battery Park and then back up the Hudson. I didn't
even know about this incursion into the class B until I read the USENET
post to which I'm replying.

But the statements like "a dangerous gap in the city's terror-fighting
capability" and "the issue of flying near major landmarks should be
revisited" have me quite concerned that I won't be able to make this trip
much longer.

Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for
Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his
intentions?

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for
Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his
intentions?

Hmm. The NYTimes article was *very* different from that of the Post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/29/nyregion/29PLAN.html

For example:

At 1:45 p.m. yesterday, the small plane was flying below 1,000
feet when it crossed south over the Bronx-Whitestone Bridge and
passed through La Guardia's airspace, Mr. Peters said. Air
traffic controllers at La Guardia tried to contact the pilot,
but were unsuccessful, Mr. Peters said.

But the Post article said:

Langone said that once he was over the East River, he received
a radio call telling him he'd entered La Guardia airspace.

He answered that he was heading back to Republic, but after passing
the Brooklyn Bridge and heading for the harbor, he decided to first
take a sightseeing loop around the Statue of Liberty.

Who reached him, if Laguardia didn't?

- Andrew

"Marco Leon" mleon(at)optonline.net wrote in message news:3ff03473

....The plane is tied down 10 spots away
from mine at Republic Airport in NY.

Drop over some time and strike up a conversation. I'd love to know if this
guy is as much of a nimrod as this flight would seem to indicate.

JG

Are you at Echo? I don't know the guy personally so I can't really comment.
He apparently was very apologetic according tot the various news reports and
didn't deny his mistake. Facts are facts though. The guy is in serious need
of pilotage training and needs to make use of the Terminal chart! In the
meantime, he should invest in a nice handheld GPS if they don't take his
ticket away.

I just hope this incident won't have permanent effects on our privileges in
NY or on GA in general. The Hudson River airspace exists on fragile grounds
as it is.

Marco

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Marco Leon" mleon(at)optonline.net wrote in message news:3ff03473

....The plane is tied down 10 spots away
from mine at Republic Airport in NY.

Drop over some time and strike up a conversation. I'd love to know if
this
guy is as much of a nimrod as this flight would seem to indicate.

JG





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Who knows what really happened but one scenario could be that he was already
well on his way down the East River before they were able to contact him on
one of the common frequencies (123.075 or 123.05 for East and Hudson
respectively). When they did contact him, they may have only informed him of
the airspace incursion and not told him he was in deep doo doo. A reply of,
"Roger, I'm enroute back to FRG" would seem reasonable. Since he was already
heading south and not thinking he was in trouble, he may have just done what
he intended to do and circle the Lady. According to the various articles, he
was not intercepted until the Verrazano Bridge so he may have thought the
call was just a slap on the wrist until then.

Keep in mind, this is TOTAL speculation on my part.

I agree with you on the newsmedia sensationalism affecting GA. That's part
of the reason why people join AOPA isn't it?

Marco


"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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Rosspilot wrote:

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm


Oddly, I'd no problems in the same neighborhood just a few hours later:

http://www.gideon.org/andrew/PhotoAl...ying/Hudson/3/

This was down the Hudson at 1500, left turn over Midtown, right turn down
the East River, around Battery Park and then back up the Hudson. I didn't
even know about this incursion into the class B until I read the USENET
post to which I'm replying.

But the statements like "a dangerous gap in the city's terror-fighting
capability" and "the issue of flying near major landmarks should be
revisited" have me quite concerned that I won't be able to make this trip
much longer.

Can someone explain why this fellow, after telling ATC he was heading for
Republic, decided to circle the Statue? Did he at least tell them of his
intentions?

- Andrew




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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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In that case, I'd have loaded up a bunch of baggage trolleys and
chased after the 777 with a tug.

That would work quite well, but one of the goals of a "terrorist" is the
psychological effect of the attack. Using the tug and luggage train
wouldn't be nearly as spectacular/sensational as using another airplane.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
____________________

I passed through the Hudson corridor with my wife maybe 15 minutes before
that guy...


"Rosspilot" wrote in message
...
http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/14692.htm
www.Rosspilot.com

Was that his path? Did he come down the Hudson then turn left at the Harlem
river and decide to go down the east side of Manhattan?


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Jonathan Goodish wrote:

I can accept making the mistake and busting the Class B...

I'm not sure that I can. The Hudson is a straight and wide waterway at
that point,
and there's this rather large, easily identifiable city just to the left
of it.
Taking a sharp 90 degree turn up that creek they call the Harlem River
goes way
beyond "getting lost".

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually
said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

I dunno... Coming up from the NJ side, like over BLM area, I could see
momentarily confusing the Brooklyn Bridge for the Verrazzano (sp?) if you
haven't done it before...

But I would think that you would have it figured out by the time you hit
Governer's Island area, especially if you're from LI!

Oh well. People screw up. And I suspect without Orange colored Panic
Buttons, and a leak to FOX News or NY Post or whomever it was that
"broke" the story, it wouldn't have even been that big of an issue...

Maybe the world will realize how ludicrous it is to think that they could
respond quickly enough to a terrorist attack from a GA Airplane in a TFR
and drop the whole idea anyway...

Ouch! Oh darn, I just woke up...


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in
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Jonathan Goodish wrote:

I can accept making the mistake and busting the Class B...

I'm not sure that I can. The Hudson is a straight and wide waterway at
that point, and there's this rather large, easily identifiable city
just to the left of it. Taking a sharp 90 degree turn up that creek
they call the Harlem River goes way beyond "getting lost".

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually
said is "Hummmmm... That's interesting...."