Anyone got an FCC radio license

On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:47:09 GMT, zatatime wrote:


I thought once they put a price on it, they removed the expiration. I
got mine free back in the 80s and IIRC it was only valid for 10 years.

More research to do at some point I guess....

http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html
download form 605 (605 replaced form 755)
http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form605/605.html

(and grab form 159 for cc payment)

hmmm. well, still no info for how long it is valid ...

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On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:31:51 -0700, Jerry Kurata wrote:

I have one, but have never been asked to see it either in the US, Canada, or
Mexico.

have an accident abroad, have your insurance company show you all
_required_ papers. don't have a radio operator permit. what _could_ happen
now?

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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
om...
Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
it is).
Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?

I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
Mexico.

-Robert

I have my 3rd class radio/telephone permit, which I had to get to be a DJ on
the college radio station back in 1980...

Same thing?

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
23.8 Hrs

PS...Anyone here have their FCC "First Phone?" (and I'm not talking about a
Nokia...)

I had a "first phone" for about 25 years, until they renewed it and
called it a "general" ticket, good for life. Yes, a 3rd class
suffices for the permit.


On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:28:46 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
. com...
Has anyone here bothered to get the FCC radio license? I've been going
down to Mexico for awhile and have never heard of anyone down there
ever being asked for one (the officials in Mexico don't even know what
it is).
Has anyone ever heard of anyone being asked for it in Canada?

I'm just wondering if I should throw out the $100 fee before flying up
to Canada. My gut tells me not to worry about it any more than I do in
Mexico.

-Robert

I have my 3rd class radio/telephone permit, which I had to get to be a DJ on
the college radio station back in 1980...

Same thing?

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
23.8 Hrs

PS...Anyone here have their FCC "First Phone?" (and I'm not talking about a
Nokia...)

"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
...
I had a "first phone" for about 25 years, until they renewed it and
called it a "general" ticket, good for life. Yes, a 3rd class
suffices for the permit.



Hi Bill,

I figured the FCC 3rd class would suffice.

The broadcasting program I went through in college (Central Mich U)
eliminated the requirement to take the "First Phone" test about a year or so
before I graduated. From what I understand, it was a stone cold b*tch if
you weren't headed for an EE degree or similar.

Jay B in AZ

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:28:46 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

PS...Anyone here have their FCC "First Phone?" (and I'm not talking about a
Nokia...)

Got transmographied into a "General" Commercial licence in the late
'70s, early '80s. Good for life. But you don't need one to read the
plate ammeter any more.

I think the second and first telegraph licences are still alive,
though irrelevant to the merchant marine. The requirement to monitor
2182 kHz went away a few years ago.

Don

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:22:52 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
.. .
I had a "first phone" for about 25 years, until they renewed it and
called it a "general" ticket, good for life. Yes, a 3rd class
suffices for the permit.



Hi Bill,

I figured the FCC 3rd class would suffice.

The broadcasting program I went through in college (Central Mich U)
eliminated the requirement to take the "First Phone" test about a year or so
before I graduated. From what I understand, it was a stone cold b*tch if
you weren't headed for an EE degree or similar.

There was a fair overlap in the questions with the Amateur Extra exam
of that era.

Don

Nah! Getting a First ticket was a piece of cake. All you needed was a yellow
pencil!

When I was in radio, in the late 60's and 70's, we were disk jockeys, but we
were also, in most cases, "transmitter operators" (some stations employed
separate transmitter operators, generally known as "engineers").

There were two applicable classes of licenses: Third Class Radiotelephone
Certificate with Broadcast Endorsement (or similar title), commonly known as
a Third Ticket, and the First Class Radiotelephone Certificate (or similar
title), commonly known as a First Ticket.

With a Third Ticket, you were allowed to operate transmitters of less than
10 KW (if I remember correctly), with non-directional antennas. Your tasks
were limited to turning the transmitter on and off, and keeping it operating
within the proper parameters by monitoring various meters and making minor
adjustments. And that was pretty much all you could do.

If you wanted to operate a transmitter of greater than 10 KW or with a
directional antenna, you had to have a First Ticket. The First Ticket
allowed you to do major maintenance and repairs to a transmitter, install a
new transmitter, or even build your own transmitter from the ground up. You
could pretty much do anything with a radio station, within the confines of
the station's license.

Note, the above restrictions applied to AM broadcast stations; FM stations
had similar requirements but FM isn't really germane to this discussion.

The problem for the poor DJ with a Third Ticket, was that there were
numerous radio stations in small towns and rural areas that were more than
10 KW or had directional antennas, which required a First Ticket operator,
but that could not afford separate First Ticket operators. Obviously, if a
DJ also had a First Ticket the market for their talents expanded markedly.

Thus was born what was known as a "combo man": a very talented DJ who also
had a First Ticket. Most of them could barely change a light bulb, much less
work on a transmitter, but they had the "paper" and that was all that
counted.

Soon, there were schools all across the country turning out combo men. They
taught students everything they needed to know to pass the First Ticket
test, and that was all they taught. No theory, no practical knowledge; just
enough to get the paper. So, for something like $1,200.00 or so and two
weeks of time, a DJ could walk away with that First Ticket, and work
anywhere he wanted to.

But some people had neither $1,200.00 or two weeks. So, some enterprising
folks did a little bit of research. The First Ticket test was primarily
multiple choice, but you were required to make a couple of rough drawings
and things like that. IIRC, these guys then figured out that if you made a
high enough score on the multiple choice, the drawings didn't matter.

Now, most people couldn't memorize all of the answers, and they couldn't
very well walk into the testing center with an answer sheet in their hand.
So what could an applicant take into the test room without arousing
suspicion? How about an ordinary yellow pencil?

But these weren't "ordinary yellow pencils"! In fact, they had the answers
to all of the First Ticket test questions imprinted on their sides. All a DJ
had to do was drop down $500.00, spend a couple of hours in the testing
room, and voila! Instant combo man. And the world was his oyster...





"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
news:ySxwc.20875$aM1.17686@fed1read02...
"Bill Zaleski" wrote in message
...
I had a "first phone" for about 25 years, until they renewed it and
called it a "general" ticket, good for life. Yes, a 3rd class
suffices for the permit.



Hi Bill,

I figured the FCC 3rd class would suffice.

The broadcasting program I went through in college (Central Mich U)
eliminated the requirement to take the "First Phone" test about a year or
so
before I graduated. From what I understand, it was a stone cold b*tch if
you weren't headed for an EE degree or similar.

Jay B in AZ

"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:31:51 -0700, Jerry Kurata wrote:

I have one, but have never been asked to see it either in the US, Canada,
or
Mexico.

have an accident abroad, have your insurance company show you all
_required_ papers. don't have a radio operator permit. what _could_ happen
now?


That depends upon your insurance company. It is important to read your
policy and know what previsions or restrictions they have regarding out of
the country operations. Also, in Mexico you will be required to purchase
liability insurance from a company licensed to do business in Mexico. I use
the Baja Bush Pilots, www.bajabushpilots.com.

jerry

"Jerry Kurata" wrote in message ...
"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:31:51 -0700, Jerry Kurata wrote:

I have one, but have never been asked to see it either in the US, Canada,
or
Mexico.

have an accident abroad, have your insurance company show you all
_required_ papers. don't have a radio operator permit. what _could_ happen
now?


That depends upon your insurance company. It is important to read your
policy and know what previsions or restrictions they have regarding out of
the country operations. Also, in Mexico you will be required to purchase
liability insurance from a company licensed to do business in Mexico. I use
the Baja Bush Pilots, www.bajabushpilots.com.

That information is almost 2 years old. Its not a surprise that Baja
Bush Pilots don't make a big deal about the Mexican gov't getting rid
of this requirement. I have not had "Mexico" insurance for the last
two years. The Mexican officials are well aware that this requirement
is gone. The only requirement is that you have a liability policy that
is in effect while in Mexico. My standard AIG policy includes Mexico
in the policy territory, which today, is good enough. Save the $100 on
insurance.


-Robert