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"Cockpit Colin" writes:
Lowest clamping force on the market is the Bose Aviation X - I guarantee she'll LOVE them Indeed. Don't screw around; keep her happy by buying a pair of Bose for her. My wife has tried several and always comes back to the Bose (despite her set getting screwed up for awhile during an upgrade). http://lairds.org/Kyler/photos/disk0...g/image_viewer --kyler |
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"T.Roger" writes:
Among audio professionals, anything "Bose" is derided for offering half the sound at twice the price. My wife often repeats the "no highs, no lows; must be Bose" saying from her studio days. She still won't give up her Bose headset. Fortunately she's smart enough to look beyond old sayings. ('course with noise cancelling headsets "no highs and no lows" is a *good* thing.) --kyler |
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Thomas,
Well, mine are in their 7th year and going strong. I'm happy for you. However you don't offer any comparison to the type of use and abuse that your headsets must withstand in reference to what I posted about the headsets I use. I have a cheap pair of 69 dollar Sigtronics that I got in the early 90's that still look and work like new. That's because there in a closet never being used. My point was specifically about how abused headsets get in a 'professional' environment and I've been thru and seen many used by other operators, and the DC consistently out perform the others for durability. As I posted originally, if you or your passengers don't subject your headsets to that kind of abuse, then you would probably be very happy with some other brand. Did the owner ask Lightspeed about repairs? Did they charge him? Didn't think so. You thought wrong. The owner(s) did contact Lightspeed and were told they were not under warranty and the cost to repair them was well into the price of new headsets. As a matter of fact when I made reference to my girlfriends set, (of headsets) I realized I was mistaken. They were not two years old, but only one year. She received them as a Christmas gift and they were broken by October. They spent the majority of their time in her flight bag. I like the Lightspeeds for comfort and audio quality, but as I said, my experience has been they don't use the best materials in the manufacturing process. As for the Boise, they're much better made and with better quality materials then the Lightspeed, but the darn mic keeps getting sloppy on so many models. I realize that I fly many more hours a year than most people, and because of this and the type of environments I fly in and out of, me and my customers are much harder on headsets than most people, but I just don't have any of these issues with the Dave Clarks. PJ ============================================ Here's to the duck who swam a lake and never lost a feather, May sometime another year, we all be back together. JJW ============================================ |
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Minor Nit: Actually, it's cast magnesium, not titanium - magnesium is
even lighter still. I've checked my facts and ... .... stand corrected |
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message ... Cockpit, Some might find the following Bose -v- Lightspeed comparison of interest .... keeping in mind, though, that LightSPEED has gone through 2 more generations of their products since then with significant changes, e.g. to the ANR. Out of interest, Bose have also refined the Aviation X - I don't think they've done anything to the ANR, but the mike boom no longer ratchets - now uses 2x AA instead of 1x 9 volt (much smaller unit) - auto-off, and volume controls that are easier to manipulate. CC |
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One of the dynamics of purchasing cheaper headsets (or many other things in
life) is that a cheap headset doesn't necessarily mean you'll have problems - but it increases the chances of getting one that will have problems. High and Low quality items (say Bose -v- Lightspeed) are marketed with differing dynamics. Bose will use more expensive parts and put more into R & D - but it probably still doesn't cost them more than $50 per unit (not counting R & D). Yes, they make a high margin, but that will be offset by the fact that they don't sell as many of them. You'll probably find it only costs $20 to make a Lightspeed headset - they still make a large margin - and they sell many more because of the price - but profits are reduced by the cost of the customer service. And the resulting reputation sets their place in the market. Two manufacturers taking two differing approaches to their marketing. I'm always guided by the old saying "The memories of poor quality remain far longer than those of the low price." "PJ Hunt" wrote in message ... Thomas, Well, mine are in their 7th year and going strong. I'm happy for you. However you don't offer any comparison to the type of use and abuse that your headsets must withstand in reference to what I posted about the headsets I use. I have a cheap pair of 69 dollar Sigtronics that I got in the early 90's that still look and work like new. That's because there in a closet never being used. My point was specifically about how abused headsets get in a 'professional' environment and I've been thru and seen many used by other operators, and the DC consistently out perform the others for durability. As I posted originally, if you or your passengers don't subject your headsets to that kind of abuse, then you would probably be very happy with some other brand. Did the owner ask Lightspeed about repairs? Did they charge him? Didn't think so. You thought wrong. The owner(s) did contact Lightspeed and were told they were not under warranty and the cost to repair them was well into the price of new headsets. As a matter of fact when I made reference to my girlfriends set, (of headsets) I realized I was mistaken. They were not two years old, but only one year. She received them as a Christmas gift and they were broken by October. They spent the majority of their time in her flight bag. I like the Lightspeeds for comfort and audio quality, but as I said, my experience has been they don't use the best materials in the manufacturing process. As for the Boise, they're much better made and with better quality materials then the Lightspeed, but the darn mic keeps getting sloppy on so many models. I realize that I fly many more hours a year than most people, and because of this and the type of environments I fly in and out of, me and my customers are much harder on headsets than most people, but I just don't have any of these issues with the Dave Clarks. PJ ============================================ Here's to the duck who swam a lake and never lost a feather, May sometime another year, we all be back together. JJW ============================================ |
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"Cockpit Colin" writes:
With the Boise, I tend to get a hot spot on top of my head after several hours of wearing them. This was an issue with the very early models - I believe that they have a free upgrage kit available, if you're interested. Long story...I put a patch of sheepskin (which came as a sample for seat covers) on my wife's set after she complained about the "hot spot". It solved the problem. I mentioned it to Bose. They rolled out the upgrade (with a solution to my battery box complaint too). It impressed me. --kyler |
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Cockpit Colin wrote:
..... Bose will use more expensive parts and put more into R & D - but it probably still doesn't cost them more than $50 per unit (not counting R & D). Yes, they make a high margin, but that will be offset by the fact that they don't sell as many of them. I have no clue whatsoever what it costs Lightspeed to manufacture their headsets. However, having worked on the Bose X as a mechanical engineer as they were being designed and released to manufacturing, I've got a VERY good idea what the manufacturing costs of the Bose X are, and it's nowhere NEAR $50. When they were released in early 1999, the manufacturing cost (including amortization of tooling, which was to run three years), was about $320/unit. Amortization of tooling was about $30/unit. I would have to assume that in the intervening 5 years there's been some cost reduction effort, but I'd be VERY surprised, given how little the design has changes, if the manufacturing cost is below $250/unit at this point. And no, I no longer work there and get headsets cheap :-). -- Marc J. Zeitlin http://marc.zeitlin.home.comcast.net/ http://www.cozybuilders.org/ Copyright (c) 2004 |
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Have Bose in a company airplane. Purchased a Flightcom Denali for
myself for about $530. Less than an ounce heavier than the Bose and clamping force about the same or less. I've been very satisfied and consider them a great value for the price. Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Try adding gell ear seals and a good fluffy head pad to what you have
now and see if that makes a difference. I had the same problems when I first started flying and eventually figured out that a good head pad and gel ear seals alleviated pressure all around - much more than just switching brands. The best head pad I have is the one that came built in on my DC. However, the add on available from Avcom, fits on most anything after you cut of the crummy rubber pad and does a good job as well. If you do decide to get another headset, bear in mind that us women folk have smaller heads than you men. Some headsets don't adjust small enough for us. Helen |
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