New low budget two seater

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 1:35:01 AM UTC-6, Tom wrote:
Hi!
We are trying to get new two seater from various funds for our club. Most of the funds force to buy new glider.
Can you please help us a little bit with market research and suggest low budget two seater?
Thank you all!

This is of interest to me too. Here in the USA there don't seem to be many "affordable" options. If you are looking at a glider under $30,000, then about the only option is the ever-aging fleet of Schweizer 2-33 gliders, which have quite low performance. Even then, if you can find one for sale, it will still run you around $15,000. You may get lucky and find a glass ship in fair to poor condition for $30,000, but otherwise you are most likely looking at a used Grob 103 in the $45,000 range. It seems anything else is upwards of $75,000 for a used glider. And you won't get anything new for under $100,000.

There is a small group of us in MT that are looking to start a new glider club, but acquiring a club glider (two-seater) with a very small budget is something that is a real hurdle to climb. There just aren't a lot of good options here in the US. I really wish someone here would design and build a good tough and affordable training glider that could step in the gap that the ever shrinking fleet of 2-33s is leaving.

This is of interest to me too. Here in the USA there don't seem to be many "affordable" options. If you are looking at a glider under $30,000

Although little bit off-topic, but yesterday I was looking to buy this old bird
http://www.segelflug.de/osclass/inde...=item&id=26202
Yes, I know it is older than me, but it fly :-)

then about the only option is the ever-aging fleet of Schweizer 2-33 gliders,

Thanks, John. Will check this too.

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:24:41 -0700, Tom wrote:

This is of interest to me too. Here in the USA there don't seem to be
many "affordable" options. If you are looking at a glider under
$30,000

Although little bit off-topic, but yesterday I was looking to buy this
old bird
http://www.segelflug.de/osclass/inde...=item&id=26202 Yes, I know
it is older than me, but it fly :-)

then about the only option is the ever-aging fleet of Schweizer 2-33
gliders,

Thanks, John. Will check this too.

If there are any K-13s in the USA, they'd be worth a look - there are
still quite a lot being used by UK clubs including Lasham. They are
better than the K-7 for one main reason: the instructor's view is quite
restricted in a K-7. Look at that linked photo and/or listen to those
who've instructed in them. This is not an issue in the K-13.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

And ASK-13 are fantastic for spinning.

Op donderdag 14 juni 2018 12:26:00 UTC+2 schreef Martin Gregorie:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:24:41 -0700, Tom wrote:

This is of interest to me too. Here in the USA there don't seem to be
many "affordable" options. If you are looking at a glider under
$30,000

Although little bit off-topic, but yesterday I was looking to buy this
old bird
http://www.segelflug.de/osclass/inde...=item&id=26202 Yes, I know
it is older than me, but it fly :-)

then about the only option is the ever-aging fleet of Schweizer 2-33
gliders,

Thanks, John. Will check this too.

If there are any K-13s in the USA, they'd be worth a look - there are
still quite a lot being used by UK clubs including Lasham. They are
better than the K-7 for one main reason: the instructor's view is quite
restricted in a K-7. Look at that linked photo and/or listen to those
who've instructed in them. This is not an issue in the K-13.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

I agree with K13's, very easy, good view,... Our club has 2 K13's for early training and 2 G103 Twins (2 and 3) for advanced training.

The ASK-13 is certainly an excellent trainer, but:
it is no longer available new (the most recent must be more than 30 years old);
it has one big practical problem: the very limited load it can carry. We have two in my club, the best one can legally carry 168 kg (370 lbs). A bit low for the current generation of pilots...

Agreed the ASK 13 is an excellent training aircraft which is widely
used in the UK. Sadly major glue failures are occurring in some of
these Schleicher aircraft rendering them beyond economic repair.
Some ASK13’s in the UK have had to be binned (one of my clubs
two met this fate) so if you’re going for a wooden Schleicher
“buyer beware� .

Regards

Mark



t 13:03 14 June 2018, Senna Van den Bosch wrote:
Op donderdag 14 juni 2018 12:26:00 UTC+2 schreef Martin
Gregorie:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:24:41 -0700, Tom wrote:

This is of interest to me too. Here in the USA there don't
seem to be
many "affordable" options. If you are looking at a glider
under
$30,000

Although little bit off-topic, but yesterday I was looking to
buy this
old bird
http://www.segelflug.de/osclass/index.php?
page=item&id=26202 Yes, I
know
it is older than me, but it fly :-)

then about the only option is the ever-aging fleet of
Schweizer 2-33
gliders,

Thanks, John. Will check this too.

If there are any K-13s in the USA, they'd be worth a look -
there are
still quite a lot being used by UK clubs including Lasham. They
are
better than the K-7 for one main reason: the instructor's view
is quite
restricted in a K-7. Look at that linked photo and/or listen to
those
who've instructed in them. This is not an issue in the K-13.


--
Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

I agree with K13's, very easy, good view,... Our club has 2 K13's
for early
training and 2 G103 Twins (2 and 3) for advanced training.

I've just started a Facebook page to discuss and promote the idea of an open-source crowd-sourced two-seat primary trainer certified as SLSA or whatever makes it eligible for commercial ride, instruction, and rental use. I envision something about halfway between the ASK13 and ASK21 in performance and complexity, and designed to fill in for the declining 2-33 population.

I'm not extremely optimistic about this effort, but as one of the few sailplane developers with a vested interest in the future of soaring in the US I thought I'd get the conversation going and see where it leads.

https://www.facebook.com/SoarOpenTrainer

--Bob K.

Meanwhile, the jigs for the Peregrine (Krosnos) are just sitting in shipping containers somewhere in Georgia. Could it be produced cost-effectively?

PA

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 1:26:35 PM UTC-6, Paul Agnew wrote:
Meanwhile, the jigs for the Peregrine (Krosnos) are just sitting in shipping containers somewhere in Georgia. Could it be produced cost-effectively?

PA

$1M and four year commitment needed. Contact Tim Barry.
http://barryaviation.com/ps/contact.html