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Copyright and Picasa
Hi everyone. I'm sorry if I've caused any problems by uploading your images
to my Picasa web album. I've removed everything that isn't my own doing from Picasa. However, I'm somewhat confused by the copyright issue. When I go to an album and check the properties for each image, it shows that the images are protected by copyright and not reusable (regardless of if they are my own images or someone elses). Can anyone clarify the issue for me? Thanks, Nick |
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Copyright and Picasa
On 20 Oct 2008, you wrote in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation:
Once images are uploaded on a newsgroup, you are able to put them on a website as long as credit is shown to the orginial photographer. The problem usually lies in when you are trying to pass it off as your own work or if someone downloads and than prints or makes a print for themselves to sell. As long as you are not making money off the picture(s) or music etc, than no copyright law has been broken. This is pretty mcuh the way copyright is handled in Canada any way. This is not the way US Copyright works. Even if a photo (or any work) is uploaded to a newsgroup, you are not automatically granted the right to use it as you choose. Uploading it does NOT put it in the public domain. There is never a time when it automatically goes in to public domain until after the copyright expires. Under current US law, could be 100+ years. (You have the Disney corporation (among others) to thank for pushing for longer and longer copyrights.) Granted, the copyright holder may have a difficult time preventing you from using it or tracking you down if you do use the photo without permission, but they have (almost) complete legal control over its use. The "almost" part refers to gray areas surrounding parody and reviews. But copyright is WAY to complex to be explained in 2 paragraphs. Check wikipedia for a better overview and links to more detailed explanation. .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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Copyright and Picasa
mrorwell wrote in message 81... On 20 Oct 2008, you wrote in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation: Once images are uploaded on a newsgroup, you are able to put them on a website as long as credit is shown to the orginial photographer. The problem usually lies in when you are trying to pass it off as your own work or if someone downloads and than prints or makes a print for themselves to sell. As long as you are not making money off the picture(s) or music etc, than no copyright law has been broken. This is pretty mcuh the way copyright is handled in Canada any way. This is not the way US Copyright works. Even if a photo (or any work) is uploaded to a newsgroup, you are not automatically granted the right to use it as you choose. Uploading it does NOT put it in the public domain. There is never a time when it automatically goes in to public domain until after the copyright expires. Under current US law, could be 100+ years. (You have the Disney corporation (among others) to thank for pushing for longer and longer copyrights.) Granted, the copyright holder may have a difficult time preventing you from using it or tracking you down if you do use the photo without permission, but they have (almost) complete legal control over its use. The "almost" part refers to gray areas surrounding parody and reviews. But copyright is WAY to complex to be explained in 2 paragraphs. Check wikipedia for a better overview and links to more detailed explanation. Thanks to everyone who replied. I can see that there is a conflict between US and Canadian law. I'm in Canada. When I uploaded the images to Picasa, I made sure that all of them were "protected." Any images that were copyrighted otherwise had watermarks or a copyright note on them. I just assumed that since they were in the public domain it was OK to post them on Picasa because Canadian law allows it. Since there seems to be an issue between different jurisdictions, only my own images are up on Picasa now. Take care, Nick |
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Copyright and Picasa
Once images are uploaded on a newsgroup, you are able to put them on a
website as long as credit is shown to the orginial photographer. The problem usually lies in when you are trying to pass it off as your own work or if someone downloads and than prints or makes a print for themselves to sell. As long as you are not making money off the picture(s) or music etc, than no copyright law has been broken. This is pretty mcuh the way copyright is handled in Canada any way. You can always have a note or disclaimer stating that if there is a picture from someone who doesn't want it posted on your site or something along those lines, you will remove it. You would need some sort of proof for this, as third party situations are bound to arise, friend of a friend of a friend etc... Depending where you are, try your local library. There should be something there about copyright in just about every Country. Also try your provincial offices or try the Feds in Ottawa. Hope this helps... "Canuck" wrote in message ... Hi everyone. I'm sorry if I've caused any problems by uploading your images to my Picasa web album. I've removed everything that isn't my own doing from Picasa. However, I'm somewhat confused by the copyright issue. When I go to an album and check the properties for each image, it shows that the images are protected by copyright and not reusable (regardless of if they are my own images or someone elses). Can anyone clarify the issue for me? Thanks, Nick ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On 20 Oct 2008 18:30:20 GMT, mrorwell mrorwell wrote:
On 20 Oct 2008, you wrote in alt.binaries.pictures.aviation: Once images are uploaded on a newsgroup, you are able to put them on a website as long as credit is shown to the orginial photographer. The problem usually lies in when you are trying to pass it off as your own work or if someone downloads and than prints or makes a print for themselves to sell. As long as you are not making money off the picture(s) or music etc, than no copyright law has been broken. This is pretty mcuh the way copyright is handled in Canada any way. This is not the way US Copyright works. Even if a photo (or any work) is uploaded to a newsgroup, you are not automatically granted the right to use it as you choose. Uploading it does NOT put it in the public domain. There is never a time when it automatically goes in to public domain until after the copyright expires. Under current US law, could be 100+ years. (You have the Disney corporation (among others) to thank for pushing for longer and longer copyrights.) Granted, the copyright holder may have a difficult time preventing you from using it or tracking you down if you do use the photo without permission, but they have (almost) complete legal control over its use. The "almost" part refers to gray areas surrounding parody and reviews. But copyright is WAY to complex to be explained in 2 paragraphs. Check wikipedia for a better overview and links to more detailed explanation. Then the US have it completely wrong. What is the difference between people seeing your work on the newsgroup, and people seeing your work on somebody else's webpage, with attributions to you? -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com A statistician took a standard deviation from his normal way home because the mean of the population was after him. |
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Peter Hucker said the following on 20/10/2008 19:53:
On 20 Oct 2008 18:30:20 GMT, mrorwell mrorwell wrote: Even if a photo (or any work) is uploaded to a newsgroup, you are not automatically granted the right to use it as you choose. Uploading it does NOT put it in the public domain. There is never a time when it automatically goes in to public domain until after the copyright expires. Under current US law, could be 100+ years. (You have the Disney corporation (among others) to thank for pushing for longer and longer copyrights.) Granted, the copyright holder may have a difficult time preventing you from using it or tracking you down if you do use the photo without permission, but they have (almost) complete legal control over its use. The "almost" part refers to gray areas surrounding parody and reviews. But copyright is WAY to complex to be explained in 2 paragraphs. Check wikipedia for a better overview and links to more detailed explanation. Then the US have it completely wrong. What is the difference between people seeing your work on the newsgroup, and people seeing your work on somebody else's webpage, with attributions to you? They didn't ask? |
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Copyright and Picasa
Peter Hucker wrote in
: Then the US have it completely wrong. The US tied its copyright laws to the Berne Convention in 1989. The Berne Convention universally protects the rights of the person who created the work (photo, text or whatever) and is in affect in 164 countries. The Convention is almost 50 pages of legalese and is the minimum requirement in each of those 164 countries. The Convention allows individual countries to "tweak" the law to their own standards, but they can't change the basics. The US, the UK and the EU (among many others) have done that. So.... if the US has it wrong and it's based primarily on the Berne Convention, then 163 other countries probably have it wrong as well. What is the difference between people seeing your work on the newsgroup, and people seeing your work on somebody else's webpage, with attributions to you? Because maybe the person who OWNS it doesn't want you to have it on your web page? Besides, there's nothing to say that the person who uploaded it to the newsgroups holds the copyright. The original copyright holder may not even know that it's appearing here. .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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Copyright and Picasa
"Canuck" wrote in
: Any images that were copyrighted otherwise had watermarks or a copyright note on them. I just assumed that since they were in the public domain it was OK to post them on Picasa because Canadian law allows it. You can't trust that. Copyright under the Berne Convention is automatic. No registration or copyright notice is required. The only way that a work is in the public domain is if the copyright holder specifically says that it is, or it's so old that the copyright has expired. My response to the next post has more details on the Berne Convention. .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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Copyright and Picasa
Canuck wrote:
Hi everyone. I'm sorry if I've caused any problems by uploading your images to my Picasa web album. I've removed everything that isn't my own doing from Picasa. However, I'm somewhat confused by the copyright issue. When I go to an album and check the properties for each image, it shows that the images are protected by copyright and not reusable (regardless of if they are my own images or someone elses). Can anyone clarify the issue for me? Thanks, Nick Here are a couple of URLs you might find interesting: http://www.photoattorney.com/ and a real long one: http://books.google.ca/books?id=rJHN...nail#PPA113,M1 |
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Copyright and Picasa
Joseph Testagrose wrote in
: See my prior post, I don't need your permission if it qualifies as fair use (USA) I don't know what other countries policy concerning fair use are. Fair Use and parody were two of the reasons I originally said that copyright was way to complex to explain in two paragraphs. Regarding your first point... I thought that the copyright had to be registered before you could sue for damages. If you can't stop someone from using your unregistered copyright material, what's the use in having a copyright? The other points you made in your other post are, of course, completely valid. But in reality, they are (probably) exceptions in this group and (probably) not applicable to the types of photos the original poster asked about. My impression is that most of the photos we see here are modern (post 3-1-89) .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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