Collision alert!

On 16 Aug 2006 20:08:12 -0700, wrote:

Bob Fry wrote:
I heard a controller once say "my bad", meaning his mistake, probably
not standard phraseology either.


Don't know whether it's standard phraseology but my bad = my mistake,
no other interpretation that I'm aware of

Recent US colloquialism, though. Must have been a TV sitcom
catchphrase originally.

Don

The,

I couldn't name one, or even imagine one.

Well, I can. I'm German. I learned about the phrase the hard way.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

are we supposed to be
impressed?


That's the whole point of using these silly phrases, IMHO.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

The phrase "my bad" originated in the movie Clueless (I think)



Don Tuite wrote:
On 16 Aug 2006 20:08:12 -0700, wrote:


Bob Fry wrote:

I heard a controller once say "my bad", meaning his mistake, probably
not standard phraseology either.


Don't know whether it's standard phraseology but my bad = my mistake,
no other interpretation that I'm aware of


Recent US colloquialism, though. Must have been a TV sitcom
catchphrase originally.

Don

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Well, I can. I'm German. I learned about the phrase the hard way.


Then you know.
So who is it that doesn't know?

Kidding, : )

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Well, I can. I'm German. I learned about the phrase the hard way.



Then you know.
So who is it that doesn't know?

Kidding, : )

Where was this that you first heard it, Europe? It is such a widely used
expression, it isn't even challenged. Not that I am endorsing it. I
couldn't use it myself. People would think I was just watching some war
movie or something.

I would think anybody hearing it for the first time, would hear the word
"no" in there and wouldn't think that meant the traffic was sighted,
doh, im mean "in sight".

On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:46:06 -0700, ramapriya.d wrote:

Is it just me that's having a sense of deja moo? Certainly feel I've
read such bull before...


Troll alert!

Greg

"deja moo" Is that the feeling you've seen the cow before?


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Is it just me that's having a sense of deja moo? Certainly feel I've
read such bull before...

Ramapriya


Greg Copeland wrote:
"Collision alert! Collision alert! Collision alert!"

Needless to say, I doubled my scan to see if the voice on the radio was
talking to me. I didn't see anything but continue to scan until I heard
more. I had never heard this before, so I was curious as to the
situation
in which some poor pilot had found himself.

Greg Copeland wrote
"Collision alert! Collision alert! Collision alert!"

Sure sound's like something that you wrote-up for Flying's
"I learned About Flying From That" column. A little too dramatic
don't you think?

I don't find "Collision Alert" in the Pilot/Controller Glossary,
are you sure that it didn't go something like this, "95X, Dallas
Departure, Traffic eleven o'clock, 2 miles, transponder indicates
3,500', turn left heading 150."? After all...this is copied from
the AIM:

"e. ATC Clearances and Separation. An ATC clearance is required to
enter and operate within Class B airspace. VFR pilots are provided
sequencing AND SEPARATION from other aircraft while operating within
Class B airspace."

ATC was required to provide separation services and the situation that
you describe should never occur. Of course ATC knew the other aircraft
was there by its transponder code...how else did it's altitude become
known?

From the "Pilot/Controller Glossary:
SAFETY ALERT- A safety alert issued by ATC to aircraft under their control
if ATC is aware the aircraft is at an altitude which, in the controller's
judgment, places the aircraft in unsafe proximity to terrain, obstructions,
or other aircraft. The controller may discontinue the issuance of further
alerts if the pilot advises he/she is taking action to correct the
situation or has the other aircraft in sight.
b. Aircraft Conflict Alert- A safety alert issued by ATC to aircraft under
their control if ATC is aware of an aircraft that is not under their
control at an altitude which, in the controller's judgment, places both
aircraft in unsafe proximity to each other. With the alert, ATC will offer
the pilot an alternate course of action when feasible; e.g., "TRAFFIC
ALERT, advise you turn right heading zero niner zero or climb to eight
thousand immediately."



"95X, we have him at your six. He is following you to 3500."
Needless to say, I'm now wondering if this guy is trying to commit
suicide with an air to air. Almost a full minute later (well, I'm
sure it wasn't...but seemed like...) and glued to the radio, "95X, the
plane has resume his course to the west. He is no longer on your
six."

Been watching a little too much "Top Gun"? "At your six" geeze...only from
a wanna-be fighter pilot. Tom Cruise would be proud of you though.
ATC would have said something like this..."the unidentified traffic is now
at six o'clock, one mile and descending through xxxx feet. Just curious,
how did ATC know that he was "following you to 3,500"? And finally, ATC
would have said something like...95X, Dallas Departure, previously reported
traffic no longer a factor, fly heading 170, maintain 3,500.

Naw....Flying wouldn't have bought it either. :-)

Bob Moore
ATP B-707 B-727 L-188
CFII AGI
PanAm (retired)

The,

Where was this that you first heard it, Europe?

No. It is not at all used here.

I would think anybody hearing it for the first time, would hear the word
"no" in there and wouldn't think that meant the traffic was sighted,
doh, im mean "in sight".

Then you should listen in on Napa, CA, tower for a while (home of Japan
Airlines basic training). Or Goodyear, AZ (home of Lufthansa training). Or
any other place with a lot of non-native speakers. Most people who have not
grown up with English language war movies will just go "Huh?" upon hearing
that.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)