Generating the Juice

On 11 Sep 2003 10:10 AM, Morgans posted the following:

"terra" wrote .

I expected to see some scoffing here, but I got some really pleasant
replies. I
could have done a lot better at persuading "Garfield" that he's wrong
about some
things. I simply pushed. Naturally, he pushed back. I failed.

This isn't the same Garfield that used to hang out here, 4 or 5 years
ago, is it?

He was loony tunes, then.

I don't believe it was the same guy. I wondered the same thing and did
a google search on him, and found a posting history going back to before
the "other" Garfield quit posting.

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In article , "Rich S."
writes:

What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(

And........ What will happen if you don't do it?



I can't remember the location but tidal power is currently being used to
generate electricty. It would seem to be more dependable for the long haul
than wind or solar since you can predict the tides with great accuracy.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Generating electricity from wind and tides is neat since electricity can be
converted into other forms of energy easily. However, generation and
conversion comes with losses. Sometimes it's worth looking beyond
electricity to see what it is to be used for.

For example, an acquaintance of mine has a workshop located at the end of a
long REA powerline that cannot power big electric power tools. So, he uses
air driven shop tools. Where does he get the compressed air? He built a
windmill that drives a big air compressor. The compressed air is stored in
large tanks until he needs it.

Another acquaintance heats his remote ranch house with a windmill that
churns water to heat it. He also gets heat from solar water heaters.

Ingenuity triumphs again.

Bill Daniels


"RobertR237" wrote in message
...
In article , "Rich S."
writes:

What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(

And........ What will happen if you don't do it?



I can't remember the location but tidal power is currently being used to
generate electricty. It would seem to be more dependable for the long
haul
than wind or solar since you can predict the tides with great accuracy.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
ink.net...
Generating electricity from wind and tides is neat since electricity can
be
converted into other forms of energy easily. However, generation and
conversion comes with losses. Sometimes it's worth looking beyond
electricity to see what it is to be used for.

For example, an acquaintance of mine has a workshop located at the end of
a
long REA powerline that cannot power big electric power tools. So, he
uses
air driven shop tools. Where does he get the compressed air? He built a
windmill that drives a big air compressor. The compressed air is stored
in
large tanks until he needs it.

Another acquaintance heats his remote ranch house with a windmill that
churns water to heat it. He also gets heat from solar water heaters.

Ingenuity triumphs again.

Bill Daniels

That sounds interesting. What voltage does he have there?

Churning water for heat? That would take one hell of a lot of churning!
Tell us more specifics!
--
Jim in NC

Nova Scotia, just north of Annapolis Royale, on the bay of Fundy, where
tides are in the 40 foot range.

BJC

"RobertR237" wrote in message
...
In article , "Rich S."
writes:

What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(

And........ What will happen if you don't do it?



I can't remember the location but tidal power is currently being used to
generate electricty. It would seem to be more dependable for the long
haul
than wind or solar since you can predict the tides with great accuracy.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
ink.net...
Generating electricity from wind and tides is neat since electricity can
be
converted into other forms of energy easily. However, generation and
conversion comes with losses. Sometimes it's worth looking beyond
electricity to see what it is to be used for.

For example, an acquaintance of mine has a workshop located at the end
of
a
long REA powerline that cannot power big electric power tools. So, he
uses
air driven shop tools. Where does he get the compressed air? He built
a
windmill that drives a big air compressor. The compressed air is stored
in
large tanks until he needs it.

Another acquaintance heats his remote ranch house with a windmill that
churns water to heat it. He also gets heat from solar water heaters.

Ingenuity triumphs again.

Bill Daniels

That sounds interesting. What voltage does he have there?

Don't know the voltage but it is supposed to be an old REA line installed in
the 1940's. Probably only intended for a few electric lights and maybe a
radio.

Churning water for heat? That would take one hell of a lot of churning!
Tell us more specifics!
--
All the mechanical energy from the windmill goes into heat - one way or
another. It's basically just a dynamometer that absorbs the power output of
the windmill. The windmill runs 24x7 and the hot water is stored in an
insulated underground tank. It's a pretty efficient conversion if the
churn is well designed. Mostly just a barrel with paddles and stators made
of steel.

Bill Daniels

Morgans wrote:

"terra" wrote .

I expected to see some scoffing here, but I got some really pleasant
replies. I
could have done a lot better at persuading "Garfield" that he's wrong
about some
things. I simply pushed. Naturally, he pushed back. I failed.

This isn't the same Garfield that used to hang out here, 4 or 5 years ago,
is it?

He was loony tunes, then.
--
Jim in NC

No, this Garfield didn't even know he was Garfield until a couple days ago, when
a female student told him he looks like that cat. He's really pretty good;
misses a few concepts, but has lots of practical knowledge from working in the
industry.

Bryan Martin wrote:

in article , Jay at
wrote on 9/11/03 12:44 PM:


What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(


Actually, the Moon is getting farther away from the Earth. The tidal drag of
the Moon on the Earth is slowing down the Earth's rotation. Since the Earth
is rotating faster and in the same direction as the Moon is orbiting, the
Moon is gaining energy as the Earth loses it and the Moon is moving into a
higher orbit.

Whoa, hold on. I think the Earth's "lost" energy is simply being turned into
heat, right here on Earth. By what mechanism could it be sent to the moon?

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:33:33 -0500, Big John
wrote:

terra

Do you remember the Shuttle test where they unrolled a long wire and
let it fall down toward the earth with gravity. First test the drum
stuck and they couldn't unroll the wire.

Second try they got a lot of wire out but experiment didn't produce
what they expected. Don't remember the data published in AW&S.

Think the Italians provided the hardware and after the second failure
no more tries that were published.


I thought they fried the wore on the second try, or possibly it was on
some tethered experiment where the cable fried from the induced
voltage.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

Is this similar to what you propose? If so ,you might want to contact
NASA to get any papers they wrote on these experiments.

It's got to do with the 'lasso' kind of effect as described on:
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/lin...oon_orbit.html

Cheers,
Pete
Europa Builder A239 dual-wing


"terra" wrote in message
...
Bryan Martin wrote:

in article , Jay at
wrote on 9/11/03 12:44 PM:


What about that tide powered generator idea. Use the force of the
moon's gravitational field to lift water. At low tide, release the
water through turbines and generate some electricity. Although if you
did this enough, the moon would eventually become one with the earth.
=^(


Actually, the Moon is getting farther away from the Earth. The tidal
drag of
the Moon on the Earth is slowing down the Earth's rotation. Since the
Earth
is rotating faster and in the same direction as the Moon is orbiting,
the
Moon is gaining energy as the Earth loses it and the Moon is moving into
a
higher orbit.

Whoa, hold on. I think the Earth's "lost" energy is simply being turned
into
heat, right here on Earth. By what mechanism could it be sent to the moon?