Suppose I wanted to fly to Angola...

I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs
to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and
complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private jet.
I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the range."
He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa solo
but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally flown
to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here as
someone might actually know.

I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-speed-
time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with stopping
to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft, certainly
not enough to plan a trip.

I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.

TIA

I forgot to include the destination. Let's assume the airport is LAD,
the capital.

es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
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I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs
to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and
complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private jet.
I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the range."
He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa solo
but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally flown
to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here as
someone might actually know.

I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-speed-
time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with stopping
to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft, certainly
not enough to plan a trip.

I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.


not sure what you're asking here.

What kind of bizjet can do it?
Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...



Bertie

On Sep 22, 4:53*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
:





I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs
to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and
complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. *This
made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private jet.
I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the range."
He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa solo
but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally flown
to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here as
someone might actually know.

I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-speed-
time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with stopping
to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft, certainly
not enough to plan a trip.

I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.

not sure what you're asking here.

What kind of bizjet can do it?
Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be available.
For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a Citation
III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if price
was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.

I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then determine
on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that route.

es330td wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd-
:

On Sep 22, 4:53*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
:





I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
needs
to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta
and
complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. *This
made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
jet.
I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
range."
He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
solo
but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
flown
to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here
as
someone might actually know.

I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
speed-
time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
stopping
to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
certainly
not enough to plan a trip.

I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.

not sure what you're asking here.

What kind of bizjet can do it?
Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...

Bertie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be available.
For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a Citation
III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if price
was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.

I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then determine
on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
route.


You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with difficulties
and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying in
that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
something that could do it in two hops..

Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| es330td wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd-
| :
|
| On Sep 22, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
|
|
|
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta
| and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here
| as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
| Bertie- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be available.
| For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a Citation
| III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
| cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if price
| was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
| would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
| Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.
|
| I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
| could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then determine
| on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
| route.
|
|
| You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
| get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
| london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with difficulties
| and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying in
| that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
| Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
| something that could do it in two hops..
|
| Bertie
|

It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows.

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
| es330td wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd-
| :
|
| On Sep 22, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
|
|
|
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from
Atlanta
| and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially.
This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation
I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask
here
| as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg
would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
| Bertie- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be
available.
| For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a
Citation
| III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
| cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if
price
| was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
| would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
| Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.
|
| I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
| could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then
determine
| on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
| route.
|
|
| You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
| get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
| london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with
difficulties
| and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying
in
| that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
| Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
| something that could do it in two hops..
|
| Bertie
|

It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows.





Uh yeh.

Flown to africa?

No?


I have..


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft, certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
|
|
| Bertie

You're not sure of a lot of things.

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta
and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here
as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
|
|
| Bertie

You're not sure of a lot of things.





That's right.

What I am sure of I am very sure of.

You being a fjukktard, for instance.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
|
|
| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
| ...
| | es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| | :
| |
| | I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| needs
| | to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta
| and
| | complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| | made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| jet.
| | I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| | and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| range."
| | He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| solo
| | but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| flown
| | to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here
| as
| | someone might actually know.
| |
| | I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| speed-
| | time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| | have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| stopping
| | to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| certainly
| | not enough to plan a trip.
| |
| | I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| | curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
| |
| |
| | not sure what you're asking here.
| |
| | What kind of bizjet can do it?
| | Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
| |
| |
| |
| | Bertie
|
| You're not sure of a lot of things.
|
|
|
|
|
| That's right.
|
| What I am sure of I am very sure of.
|
| You being a fjukktard, for instance.
|
|
| Bertie