Suppose I wanted to fly to Angola...

On Sep 22, 9:27*pm, wrote:
On Sep 22, 5:02*pm, C J Campbell
wrote:



On 2008-09-22 13:32:02 -0700, es330td said:

I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs
to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and
complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. *This
made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private jet.
I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the range."
He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa solo
but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally flown
to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here as
someone might actually know.

I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-speed-
time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with stopping
to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft, certainly
not enough to plan a trip.

I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.

TIA

I asked Jane. She used to plan trips like this for Kaiser Air. It can
be done, but it is going to take a few stops. However, flying into
Angola itself is tricky. You will need permission not only to enter
Angola, but also to overfly several somewhat hostile African nations.
You will also need to arrange passports, visas, and security for plane,
crew and passengers. Planning the return trip can be just as difficult.
Not least is getting back into the USA. It could take months to plan a
trip like this. There are flight service companies that specialize in
handling the details of such flights. If it is your first trip,
especially, you are best off relying on those who really know the
business.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

* * * * *Normal route is either Atlanta-Johannesburg-Windhoek
(Namibia) or to London-JoBurg-Windhoek and then to Luanda. Our guys
usually get to Windhoek and the (privately-registered) company
aircraft picks them up and takes them into interior Angola. I'm not
sure if there's a reliable commercial carrier between Windhoek and
Luanda. Bus service at least, I'd think.
* * * * We flew the Calgary-London-JoBurg route last fall when
travelling to SA and Botswana. British Airways and South African
Express, both good outfits with good airplanes. SAX might have a
flight to Luanda. Check their website.

* * * * *Dan

South African Airways lists flights to Luanda as "Codeshare
flights between airlines." Whatever that means. See:
http://ww1.flysaa.com/fares/nav/en/e...oadFrame=false

Dan

On Sep 22, 7:02*pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
On 2008-09-22 13:32:02 -0700, es330td said:





I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs
to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and
complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. *This
made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private jet.
I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the range."
He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa solo
but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally flown
to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here as
someone might actually know.

I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-speed-
time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with stopping
to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft, certainly
not enough to plan a trip.

I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.

TIA

I asked Jane. She used to plan trips like this for Kaiser Air. It can
be done, but it is going to take a few stops. However, flying into
Angola itself is tricky. You will need permission not only to enter
Angola, but also to overfly several somewhat hostile African nations.
You will also need to arrange passports, visas, and security for plane,
crew and passengers. Planning the return trip can be just as difficult.
Not least is getting back into the USA. It could take months to plan a
trip like this. There are flight service companies that specialize in
handling the details of such flights. If it is your first trip,
especially, you are best off relying on those who really know the
business.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor- Hide quoted text -

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Remind me to never want to fly to Africa ;-)

I figured doing this would be complex; clearly the way to go is pay a
company to handle this for you.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft, certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
|
|
| Bertie

You're not sure of a lot of things.

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
| es330td wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd-
| :
|
| On Sep 22, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
|
|
|
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta
| and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here
| as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
| Bertie- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be available.
| For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a Citation
| III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
| cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if price
| was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
| would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
| Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.
|
| I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
| could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then determine
| on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
| route.
|
|
| You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
| get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
| london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with difficulties
| and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying in
| that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
| Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
| something that could do it in two hops..
|
| Bertie
|

It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows.

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta
and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here
as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
|
|
| Bertie

You're not sure of a lot of things.





That's right.

What I am sure of I am very sure of.

You being a fjukktard, for instance.


Bertie

"Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
| es330td wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd-
| :
|
| On Sep 22, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| :
|
|
|
|
|
| I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| needs
| to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from
Atlanta
| and
| complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially.
This
| made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| jet.
| I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation
I)
| and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| range."
| He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| solo
| but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| flown
| to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask
here
| as
| someone might actually know.
|
| I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| speed-
| time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg
would
| have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| stopping
| to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| certainly
| not enough to plan a trip.
|
| I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
|
| not sure what you're asking here.
|
| What kind of bizjet can do it?
| Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
|
| Bertie- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be
available.
| For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a
Citation
| III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
| cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if
price
| was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
| would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
| Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.
|
| I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
| could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then
determine
| on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
| route.
|
|
| You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
| get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
| london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with
difficulties
| and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying
in
| that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
| Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
| something that could do it in two hops..
|
| Bertie
|

It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows.





Uh yeh.

Flown to africa?

No?


I have..


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
|
|
| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
| ...
| | es330td wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd-
| | :
| |
| | On Sep 22, 4:53 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
| | es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| | :
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| | I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| | needs
| | to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from
| Atlanta
| | and
| | complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially.
| This
| | made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| | jet.
| | I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation
| I)
| | and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| | range."
| | He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| | solo
| | but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| | flown
| | to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask
| here
| | as
| | someone might actually know.
| |
| | I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| | speed-
| | time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg
| would
| | have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| | stopping
| | to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| | certainly
| | not enough to plan a trip.
| |
| | I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| | curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
| |
| | not sure what you're asking here.
| |
| | What kind of bizjet can do it?
| | Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
| |
| | Bertie- Hide quoted text -
| |
| | - Show quoted text -
| |
| | I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be
| available.
| | For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a
| Citation
| | III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I
| | cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if
| price
| | was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550
| | would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the
| | Citation III that is only expensive in comparison.
| |
| | I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes
| | could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then
| determine
| | on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that
| | route.
| |
| |
| | You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to
| | get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and
| | london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with
| difficulties
| | and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying
| in
| | that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or
| | Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in
| | something that could do it in two hops..
| |
| | Bertie
| |
|
| It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows.
|
|
|
|
|
| Uh yeh.
|
| Flown to africa?
|
| No?
|
|
| I have..
|
|
| Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
| "Mick" #$$#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :
|
|
| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
| ...
| | es330td wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9-
| | :
| |
| | I was talking recently with someone who said that their company
| needs
| | to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta
| and
| | complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This
| | made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private
| jet.
| | I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I)
| | and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the
| range."
| | He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa
| solo
| | but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally
| flown
| | to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here
| as
| | someone might actually know.
| |
| | I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-
| speed-
| | time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would
| | have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with
| stopping
| | to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft,
| certainly
| | not enough to plan a trip.
| |
| | I've never thought much about international flight so I am very
| | curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this.
| |
| |
| | not sure what you're asking here.
| |
| | What kind of bizjet can do it?
| | Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct...
| |
| |
| |
| | Bertie
|
| You're not sure of a lot of things.
|
|
|
|
|
| That's right.
|
| What I am sure of I am very sure of.
|
| You being a fjukktard, for instance.
|
|
| Bertie